<rss version="2.0" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"><channel><title>Hacker News: New comments on &#34;Apple and Google Face Growing Revolt Over App Store ‘Tax’&#34;</title><link>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17821181</link><description>Hacker News RSS</description><docs>https://hnrss.org/</docs><generator>hnrss v2.1.1</generator><lastBuildDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2026 03:21:56 +0000</lastBuildDate><atom:link href="https://hnrss.org/item?id=17821181" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml"></atom:link><item><title><![CDATA[New comment by kyle-rb in "Apple and Google Face Growing Revolt Over App Store ‘Tax’"]]></title><description><![CDATA[
<p>What? First of all my main argument was that installing outside the App Store is much easier on MacOS than it is on iOS.<p>Second: many, many sites host their own DMG downloads, with zero fake download buttons. I don't think searching for an app's website on Google is significantly harder than searching for an app in the App Store (also I'm not sure typing in search terms is "one click", but whatever). I'll admit that using the App Store is slightly less work to install stuff, and somewhat more secure.<p>But from a user standpoint (I use a Mac with one or two App Store apps and dozens of DMG-installer-based apps) it's not a huge difference. And from a developer standpoint, that's not worth 30% of my revenue.</p>
]]></description><pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2018 01:18:23 +0000</pubDate><link>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17905928</link><dc:creator>kyle-rb</dc:creator><comments>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17905928</comments><guid isPermaLink="false">https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17905928</guid></item><item><title><![CDATA[New comment by clarky07 in "Apple and Google Face Growing Revolt Over App Store ‘Tax’"]]></title><description><![CDATA[
<p>it's 15% in future years, not 10%.</p>
]]></description><pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2018 22:59:03 +0000</pubDate><link>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17881554</link><dc:creator>clarky07</dc:creator><comments>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17881554</comments><guid isPermaLink="false">https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17881554</guid></item><item><title><![CDATA[New comment by clarky07 in "Apple and Google Face Growing Revolt Over App Store ‘Tax’"]]></title><description><![CDATA[
<p>>And they are all in Cupertino<p>Do you have a source for that? I'm 99.9% sure this isn't true. I've had apps rejected where the screenshots had non-english characters in the status bar, and rejections because the app had no daily content because they were testing at like 3:00 am our time and we publish our daily content around 10:00 am.</p>
]]></description><pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2018 22:52:08 +0000</pubDate><link>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17881506</link><dc:creator>clarky07</dc:creator><comments>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17881506</comments><guid isPermaLink="false">https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17881506</guid></item><item><title><![CDATA[New comment by HeadsUpHigh in "Apple and Google Face Growing Revolt Over App Store ‘Tax’"]]></title><description><![CDATA[
<p>It really depends on the person I guess. For example I live close to the sea so I get to swim a lot in the summer. As a kid we didn't have air conditioning in the car so when I arrived I was super hot and I jumped straight into the water. After we got an air-conditioned car a bit part of the appeal went away. Nowadays when I go to the sea I make sure to turn the air conditioner off for the last few minutes before I get there to get some of the extra satisfaction.<p>Notice that e.g. on the coffee example I specifically didn't suggest ordering coffee automatically for you or something. I buy fresh grinded(is that the right word?) coffee myself that I buy from a local coffee shop so all I would want is a reminder-maybe a specific text file where I input the stuff that I need to buy and the coffee machine adds coffee on it automatically. Then I can sync that file to my phone when I go shopping( maybe a couple of QR codes?).<p>Anyway the point of home IOT for me would be to get ease the mental load of keeping up with the house and maybe save some time with e.g. the bath tub( maybe if you decide to connect the system to your smartphone with e.g. a key exchange via lan you could tell the bath tub to extend the time that it keeps the water ready).</p>
]]></description><pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2018 14:45:40 +0000</pubDate><link>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17868567</link><dc:creator>HeadsUpHigh</dc:creator><comments>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17868567</comments><guid isPermaLink="false">https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17868567</guid></item><item><title><![CDATA[New comment by dkonofalski in "Apple and Google Face Growing Revolt Over App Store ‘Tax’"]]></title><description><![CDATA[
<p>Stop being obtuse. People have to find the software they want first and then download the DMG from somewhere which usually involves ignoring a billion fake "DOWNLOAD NOW" buttons. The App Store is a trusted platform with literally one click find an app and one click to install.<p>You're being purposely disingenuous.</p>
]]></description><pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2018 21:02:22 +0000</pubDate><link>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17854524</link><dc:creator>dkonofalski</dc:creator><comments>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17854524</comments><guid isPermaLink="false">https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17854524</guid></item><item><title><![CDATA[New comment by friendlystabb in "Apple and Google Face Growing Revolt Over App Store ‘Tax’"]]></title><description><![CDATA[
<p>When recently buying a car, the saleswoman said we would be sent a survey about the sale and that anything other than a 5 out of 5 rating she gets hassled by corporate. Wtf is the point in even giving people options if only one option is considered 'good'?</p>
]]></description><pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2018 04:35:13 +0000</pubDate><link>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17849451</link><dc:creator>friendlystabb</dc:creator><comments>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17849451</comments><guid isPermaLink="false">https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17849451</guid></item><item><title><![CDATA[New comment by zoomablemind in "Apple and Google Face Growing Revolt Over App Store ‘Tax’"]]></title><description><![CDATA[
<p>Nice to peek into personal preferences. It seems a lot is revolving around immediacy, basically small mundane actions treated as time-wasteful.<p>I find all of the seeming incoveniences are often interaction points, chances to  bump with the world around us. Ran out of coffee? ... hmm, dig out an old stash of tea (it may even taste better), or stop by a coffee house, maybe meet a love of your life, or just live a 'different' day.<p>On the other hand, commute/traffic jam is indeed life-wasting -- it would even upset the smart bath-tub.</p>
]]></description><pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2018 01:53:51 +0000</pubDate><link>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17848966</link><dc:creator>zoomablemind</dc:creator><comments>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17848966</comments><guid isPermaLink="false">https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17848966</guid></item><item><title><![CDATA[New comment by adrianratnapala in "Apple and Google Face Growing Revolt Over App Store ‘Tax’"]]></title><description><![CDATA[
<p>> A really inexpensive place to get a quick meal. . Can’t expect much more from it.<p>I reckon the food there is pretty good quality, especially by London standards.  Though the menu is pretty basic.  At least that was my assessment 10 years ago when I lived there.</p>
]]></description><pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2018 23:41:27 +0000</pubDate><link>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17848528</link><dc:creator>adrianratnapala</dc:creator><comments>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17848528</comments><guid isPermaLink="false">https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17848528</guid></item><item><title><![CDATA[New comment by samat in "Apple and Google Face Growing Revolt Over App Store ‘Tax’"]]></title><description><![CDATA[
<p>No notifications on iOS safari, btw.</p>
]]></description><pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2018 09:33:19 +0000</pubDate><link>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17845088</link><dc:creator>samat</dc:creator><comments>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17845088</comments><guid isPermaLink="false">https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17845088</guid></item><item><title><![CDATA[New comment by Fnoord in "Apple and Google Face Growing Revolt Over App Store ‘Tax’"]]></title><description><![CDATA[
<p>We should stop calling it smartphone. It has very little to do with a phone. Its more of a spy device with an organizer (PIM), flash light, and various radios one of which can provide a limited always-on connection.</p>
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<p>But Fortnite and Amazon are huge. It's almost possible for individual devs or smaller companies to sell apps outside the store. Not technically but logistically. Hence the preceeding "virtually".</p>
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<p>That gave me absolute chills.<p>I can't help but think of a platform like that but international and for all jobs. Hellish reality.</p>
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<p>That’s the worst kind of rating for me as I only care about the food.</p>
]]></description><pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2018 10:40:47 +0000</pubDate><link>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17834069</link><dc:creator>baby</dc:creator><comments>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17834069</comments><guid isPermaLink="false">https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17834069</guid></item><item><title><![CDATA[New comment by tyrex2017 in "Apple and Google Face Growing Revolt Over App Store ‘Tax’"]]></title><description><![CDATA[
<p>In the past I supported the Google and Apple tax, because they kind of created this opportunity.<p>Now I believe they have gotten their money from this innovation, and the tax should be reduced to sth like 8%<p>It is a monopoly now (inside Android or iOS phones).</p>
]]></description><pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2018 10:25:44 +0000</pubDate><link>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17834024</link><dc:creator>tyrex2017</dc:creator><comments>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17834024</comments><guid isPermaLink="false">https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17834024</guid></item><item><title><![CDATA[New comment by valuearb in "Apple and Google Face Growing Revolt Over App Store ‘Tax’"]]></title><description><![CDATA[
<p>First, You made a good run at the per user costs, but whiffed on how many users there are. Apple supports billions of downloads per year.<p>More importantly, Apple isn’t a mere payment processer, and it certainly isn’t a mere CDN.<p>Then entire storefront, updated constantly with new marketing programs in hundreds of country specific stores, and in dozens of languages. Then there is the technological infrastructure behind it, from XCode to TestFlight, to crash reporting, to all the payment systems, etc, etc.<p>And overall developers benefit greatly from App Store review.The average iOS user downloads more apps and spends far more on the App Store in a great part because of the greater safety and security of iOS apps.</p>
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<p>Distribution is the biggest part.</p>
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<p>I mean they might not be fully compensated if they remove the app store fees.</p>
]]></description><pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2018 03:44:40 +0000</pubDate><link>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17832624</link><dc:creator>Buge</dc:creator><comments>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17832624</comments><guid isPermaLink="false">https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17832624</guid></item><item><title><![CDATA[New comment by zasz in "Apple and Google Face Growing Revolt Over App Store ‘Tax’"]]></title><description><![CDATA[
<p>Yeah, of course I am and I understand it's their job to do that. I really hate it when waiters come interrupt you, but what made you think I'd actually say it out loud? I used the phrase "fuck off" as an expression of annoyance, not contempt.<p>Now, white people not realizing that different cultural norms are at play and calling Chinese waiters rude, now THAT is definitely deserving of contempt.</p>
]]></description><pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2018 01:44:55 +0000</pubDate><link>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17832137</link><dc:creator>zasz</dc:creator><comments>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17832137</comments><guid isPermaLink="false">https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17832137</guid></item><item><title><![CDATA[New comment by kyle-rb in "Apple and Google Face Growing Revolt Over App Store ‘Tax’"]]></title><description><![CDATA[
<p>>Case in point - where's the competitor for the Mac App Store on macOS? There's not. Users have to do all the legwork themselves.<p>Yeah, double-clicking that DMG and dragging the .app 30 pixels to the Applications shortcut is a lot of work.<p>>That's literally no different than side-loading your own apps.<p>Yup, clicking and dragging is the same as configuring a different machine to properly build and provision.</p>
]]></description><pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2018 23:48:58 +0000</pubDate><link>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17831584</link><dc:creator>kyle-rb</dc:creator><comments>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17831584</comments><guid isPermaLink="false">https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17831584</guid></item><item><title><![CDATA[New comment by HeadsUpHigh in "Apple and Google Face Growing Revolt Over App Store ‘Tax’"]]></title><description><![CDATA[
<p>>what a respectful and user-controlled smart household appliance looks like and how it's built<p>Connected straight to your smartphone without a server in the middle or not connected to the internet at all. E.g. make your bathtub automatically fill up with water at your preferred temperature on a specified time every day and then maintain that for x amount of time. Flush it automatically after that time if you haven't pressed a button manually. I could see coming home after work and jumping straight to the bath being convenient and this setup doesn't even need connectivity.<p>Maybe some stuff could connect with each other only via LAN. E.g. night/day sensors that will turn the outside lights on when there isn't enough sunlight. Or a monitoring panel( basically a tablet) that will tell you if your fridge is struggling to keep the temperature down( maybe the underside needs cleaning). That could also be used to create various profiles for your smart lightbulbs so you can get the exact type of light that you want. Slowly increasing in luminosity to wake you up or getting a red led-like light profile for when you want to watch a movie. Maybe a more blue oriented light to help suppress melatonin when you have to stay late.  A coffee maker( using regular grounded coffee, not capsules) will notify you when the internal coffee storage is low. I hate it when I run out of coffee without realizing it and I have to leave the house early in the morning without any caffeine.<p>The possibilities are there but those that make these devices need to look and listen to how people actually live instead of just trying to impress with useless and dangerous gimmicks or try to get extra money by extracting data.</p>
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