<rss version="2.0" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"><channel><title>Hacker News: New comments on &#34;Thoughts on RSS&#34;</title><link>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32140774</link><description>Hacker News RSS</description><docs>https://hnrss.org/</docs><generator>hnrss v2.1.1</generator><lastBuildDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2026 22:47:25 +0000</lastBuildDate><atom:link href="https://hnrss.org/item?id=32140774" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml"></atom:link><item><title><![CDATA[New comment by derekzhouzhen in "Thoughts on RSS"]]></title><description><![CDATA[
<p>See my blog's feed as an example on how to use enclosure:<p><a href="https://blog.3qin.us/feed.xml" rel="nofollow">https://blog.3qin.us/feed.xml</a><p>W3C has a RSS validator that you can use to validate the RSS file. I also have a blog linter that cross check the consistency between the metadata from the feed and the metadata from the blog posts<p><a href="https://roastidio.us/lint" rel="nofollow">https://roastidio.us/lint</a><p>Hint: very few blogs pass without warning.</p>
]]></description><pubDate>Tue, 19 Jul 2022 15:36:38 +0000</pubDate><link>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32153083</link><dc:creator>derekzhouzhen</dc:creator><comments>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32153083</comments><guid isPermaLink="false">https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32153083</guid></item><item><title><![CDATA[New comment by kevincox in "Thoughts on RSS"]]></title><description><![CDATA[
<p>Even this site is funded, it is effectively an add for Y-Combinator and it also hosts job listings for YC companies. I guess "make money" is poor wording but privately funded often fails in the long-term especially if a site becomes popular.</p>
]]></description><pubDate>Tue, 19 Jul 2022 10:33:29 +0000</pubDate><link>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32149691</link><dc:creator>kevincox</dc:creator><comments>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32149691</comments><guid isPermaLink="false">https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32149691</guid></item><item><title><![CDATA[New comment by lloydatkinson in "Thoughts on RSS"]]></title><description><![CDATA[
<p>Tried it and it didn't seem to work. I will try it again though. Again most SO answers and articles I saw have some terrible CDATA thing going on.</p>
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<p>RSS too:<p><pre><code>  managingEditor Email address for person responsible for editorial content. geo@herald.com (George Matesky)
  webMaster Email address for person responsible for technical issues relating to channel. betty@herald.com (Betty Guernsey)
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<a href="https://validator.w3.org/feed/docs/rss2.html#requiredChannelElements" rel="nofollow">https://validator.w3.org/feed/docs/rss2.html#requiredChannel...</a> (but was also present in 0.91)</p>
]]></description><pubDate>Tue, 19 Jul 2022 07:24:50 +0000</pubDate><link>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32148501</link><dc:creator>johnchristopher</dc:creator><comments>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32148501</comments><guid isPermaLink="false">https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32148501</guid></item><item><title><![CDATA[New comment by cntrl in "Thoughts on RSS"]]></title><description><![CDATA[
<p>RSS feeds are in my eyes the best way to follow cross-platform content in a single place without worrying about privacy.<p>It allows you to follow your favorite artists / content creators on instagram (via bibliogram), twitter (via nitter), youtube (via invidious), tiktok (via proxitok) etc. without having an actual account to these services or using obscure apps. You can also follow your favorite news site, subscribe to ebay search terms (if your looking for one specific thing), hacker news, blog posts and much more all following one standard on one platform.</p>
]]></description><pubDate>Tue, 19 Jul 2022 05:58:44 +0000</pubDate><link>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32148020</link><dc:creator>cntrl</dc:creator><comments>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32148020</comments><guid isPermaLink="false">https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32148020</guid></item><item><title><![CDATA[New comment by captn3m0 in "Thoughts on RSS"]]></title><description><![CDATA[
<p>I wish OPML (the import/export RSS format) was also subscribe-able[1] in more clients. So my GitHub "news feed" would live at github.com/captn3m0/news.opml (which would just be a list of RSS URLs), and the client would update this list periodically.<p>Same thing works well for Twitter, or other sites.<p>[1]: <a href="https://github.com/captn3m0/ideas/#opml-sync" rel="nofollow">https://github.com/captn3m0/ideas/#opml-sync</a></p>
]]></description><pubDate>Tue, 19 Jul 2022 03:52:53 +0000</pubDate><link>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32147348</link><dc:creator>captn3m0</dc:creator><comments>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32147348</comments><guid isPermaLink="false">https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32147348</guid></item><item><title><![CDATA[New comment by pipeline_peak in "Thoughts on RSS"]]></title><description><![CDATA[
<p>> How else do you expect to make money other than premium services?<p>I don’t, I want something that can host for users as cheaply as possible. I’d make it open source and be fully transparent about the fat client design and whatever else.<p>I pretty much want this site, but every user has an RSS feed, can see each other’s, and a front page with rankings.</p>
]]></description><pubDate>Tue, 19 Jul 2022 02:47:34 +0000</pubDate><link>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32146965</link><dc:creator>pipeline_peak</dc:creator><comments>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32146965</comments><guid isPermaLink="false">https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32146965</guid></item><item><title><![CDATA[New comment by georgeoliver in "Thoughts on RSS"]]></title><description><![CDATA[
<p>I wonder what percentage of RSS users read all their articles in their reader (if possible). I use RSS the same way you do but I've assumed I'm in the minority.</p>
]]></description><pubDate>Tue, 19 Jul 2022 02:40:48 +0000</pubDate><link>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32146918</link><dc:creator>georgeoliver</dc:creator><comments>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32146918</comments><guid isPermaLink="false">https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32146918</guid></item><item><title><![CDATA[New comment by kevincox in "Thoughts on RSS"]]></title><description><![CDATA[
<p>My only guess for how pubDate would affect the cost was using it to identify previously seen entries/items. If you can rely on pubDates being stable and monotonically increasing for new entries you can just remember the last one instead of a number of IDs. But that is likely an incredibly small cost.<p>How else do you expect to make money other than premium services? Even if cheap hosting is not free. And likely the cost of staff is by far the biggest expense of these companies. Premium literally means something that costs. The only other major business model I am aware of than charging your chstomers is to sell their data or attention. Personally I prefer the freemium or paid model.<p>If you are going for freemium than faster update rate sounds like an incredibly fair compromise if that is increasing the cost of serving a user. Much better than many artificial limitations.</p>
]]></description><pubDate>Tue, 19 Jul 2022 02:28:24 +0000</pubDate><link>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32146838</link><dc:creator>kevincox</dc:creator><comments>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32146838</comments><guid isPermaLink="false">https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32146838</guid></item><item><title><![CDATA[New comment by pipeline_peak in "Thoughts on RSS"]]></title><description><![CDATA[
<p>How entry id’s serve as an alternative to pubDates? Also by entry id, do you mean RSS item?<p>Most of my concern comes from seeing NewsBlur, Feedly, and The Old Reader resort to premium services. Throttling users unless they pay, now that’s not a game I want to be apart of.</p>
]]></description><pubDate>Tue, 19 Jul 2022 02:13:59 +0000</pubDate><link>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32146745</link><dc:creator>pipeline_peak</dc:creator><comments>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32146745</comments><guid isPermaLink="false">https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32146745</guid></item><item><title><![CDATA[New comment by kevincox in "Thoughts on RSS"]]></title><description><![CDATA[
<p>> a lot of feeds don’t have pubDates<p>I don't see how this would significantly impact the cost. The main cost is that you need to remember all entry IDs to know which you have seen before. However you should probably do this anyway because published dates aren't very reliable. Plus if you are storing user comments then you probably want to keep the entries around for a long time anyways.<p>> polling or archive retrieval are expensive<p>Polling isn't very expensive. It is just a HTTP get. Many feeds also support conditional requests so you just get a 304. If you have enough feeds that becomes expensive you can play with the update time, poll feeds of active users more often, slow down polling if a feed doesn't post often...<p>I also don't know how archive retrieval is expensive. You only really need to do this when a new feed is added (and even then you only need to do it if you want history). Maybe if the full "first page" of the feed is new you can look back a bit into the archive but this is so rare that it probably isn't worth doing.<p>I guess for pagnated (not archived) feeds you should technically check all pages each time but so few readers even support pagnation at all that I would consider a feed that doesn't put new entries on the first page broken and wouldn't bother support it.<p>TL;DR I don't think this service would be very expensive to run. If you get enough users and feeds to start being concerned about the cost of polling you will have enough resources to deal with it.<p>Source: I run a small RSS reader service.</p>
]]></description><pubDate>Tue, 19 Jul 2022 01:56:53 +0000</pubDate><link>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32146632</link><dc:creator>kevincox</dc:creator><comments>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32146632</comments><guid isPermaLink="false">https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32146632</guid></item><item><title><![CDATA[New comment by bastawhiz in "Thoughts on RSS"]]></title><description><![CDATA[
<p>If you don't click through, you don't get ads. The publisher makes no money from you browsing the content with a feed. Moreover, they can't quantify what you passed over before clicking something.<p>These aren't things users care about, but it's what the publishers care about.</p>
]]></description><pubDate>Tue, 19 Jul 2022 01:19:57 +0000</pubDate><link>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32146307</link><dc:creator>bastawhiz</dc:creator><comments>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32146307</comments><guid isPermaLink="false">https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32146307</guid></item><item><title><![CDATA[New comment by garrickvanburen in "Thoughts on RSS"]]></title><description><![CDATA[
<p>Oh. It’s been a while since I’ve worked with RSS2, IIRC some of the feeds I worked 14 yrs ago with were comment feeds off a given blog post. Maybe those implementations weren’t true to spec.</p>
]]></description><pubDate>Tue, 19 Jul 2022 01:09:13 +0000</pubDate><link>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32146222</link><dc:creator>garrickvanburen</dc:creator><comments>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32146222</comments><guid isPermaLink="false">https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32146222</guid></item><item><title><![CDATA[New comment by thrashh in "Thoughts on RSS"]]></title><description><![CDATA[
<p>OK but even sometimes finding an up-to-date HTML renderer can be hard.<p>Very few people are out there packaging up-to-date webpage renderers into easy to use libraries. Many times you end up using the one built-in to your UI toolkits and those are often very neglected.</p>
]]></description><pubDate>Mon, 18 Jul 2022 22:43:01 +0000</pubDate><link>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32145033</link><dc:creator>thrashh</dc:creator><comments>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32145033</comments><guid isPermaLink="false">https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32145033</guid></item><item><title><![CDATA[New comment by derekzhouzhen in "Thoughts on RSS"]]></title><description><![CDATA[
<p>> Publishers would care more about RSS if they didn't have to sacrifice things they cared about<p>What sacrifice are you talking about? For instance, Substack supports RSS, even for paid items. They just only include the teaser portion in the feed. The paying customers can click though.</p>
]]></description><pubDate>Mon, 18 Jul 2022 22:40:17 +0000</pubDate><link>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32145000</link><dc:creator>derekzhouzhen</dc:creator><comments>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32145000</comments><guid isPermaLink="false">https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32145000</guid></item><item><title><![CDATA[New comment by Zak in "Thoughts on RSS"]]></title><description><![CDATA[
<p>I agree RSS is not designed work comments in mind and probably shouldn't be redesigned to support them. ActivityPub is a more suitable, federated way to support comments.</p>
]]></description><pubDate>Mon, 18 Jul 2022 22:16:27 +0000</pubDate><link>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32144737</link><dc:creator>Zak</dc:creator><comments>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32144737</comments><guid isPermaLink="false">https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32144737</guid></item><item><title><![CDATA[New comment by hombre_fatal in "Thoughts on RSS"]]></title><description><![CDATA[
<p>I think this is why the answer to RSS is an RSS client that can create feeds from arbitrary sources. (RSS being less a technology/protocol and more a general concept of fetching/consuming content for local consumption)<p>The original model never made too much sense to me: why do I depend on every single website to implement something that I want? If a website doesn't implement it, I just don't get to use my RSS client with it at all? Not very compelling.<p>You can see the same inconsistency in the finger-pointing that comes up on this topic. RSS benefits us, the audience, yet it's {X,Y,Z}s fault for not implementing it for us. And we need to somehow compel them to do it or something.<p>Nah, an RSS reader in 2022 should be able to create feeds from websites. There are already solutions here.</p>
]]></description><pubDate>Mon, 18 Jul 2022 22:11:50 +0000</pubDate><link>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32144677</link><dc:creator>hombre_fatal</dc:creator><comments>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32144677</comments><guid isPermaLink="false">https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32144677</guid></item><item><title><![CDATA[New comment by sys_64738 in "Thoughts on RSS"]]></title><description><![CDATA[
<p>RSS is excellent at organizing chaotic websites into readable form. You can glance down the list quickly like reading email subject headers. There's limited opportunity to be distracted by flashy graphics or other time wasters. To try to explain RSS to somebody else who isn't familiar I usually don't bother.</p>
]]></description><pubDate>Mon, 18 Jul 2022 21:13:50 +0000</pubDate><link>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32143817</link><dc:creator>sys_64738</dc:creator><comments>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32143817</comments><guid isPermaLink="false">https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32143817</guid></item><item><title><![CDATA[New comment by bastawhiz in "Thoughts on RSS"]]></title><description><![CDATA[
<p>That would be a compelling argument if any substantive number of each site's potential viewers did this. But they don't. Publishers don't care about RSS because hardly anyone uses RSS because publishers don't care about RSS. Publishers would care more about RSS if they didn't have to sacrifice things they cared about to serve a small minority of viewers.</p>
]]></description><pubDate>Mon, 18 Jul 2022 21:13:41 +0000</pubDate><link>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32143815</link><dc:creator>bastawhiz</dc:creator><comments>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32143815</comments><guid isPermaLink="false">https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32143815</guid></item><item><title><![CDATA[New comment by pipeline_peak in "Thoughts on RSS"]]></title><description><![CDATA[
<p>I’ve had ideas on making a Reddit like RSS reader. Every user would have their own feed list that others can see by clicking on that user and add to their own.<p>The main feed would be ranked by most followed sites in an HN like layout with comments. And of course there would be another section for personal feed.<p>I just don’t know how much server fees would cost, a lot of feeds don’t have pubDates, polling or archive retrieval are expensive. I thought about making a fat client setup so the users machine does that work, whatever it takes to make something clean and simple without an ugly premium package with 100 things no one wants.</p>
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