How do people keep doing this?

:-/

The same argument could be made about people writing articles and influencing actions in other humans. Something, it seems, people want to use AI for. Have AI write articles for them.

At the moment I am trying to fix a vibe coded application and while each individual function is ok, the overall application is a dog’s breakfast of spaghetti which is causing many problems.

If you derive all your pleasure from actually typing the code then you’re probably toast, but if you like building whole systems (that run on production infrastructure) there is still heaps of work to do.

I think you already get what I am saying, but it seems that there are maybe 3 groups. 2 who know how things work under the hood and have differing opinions and are curious to hear the other side, and one group who have no idea how things work, are very loud, have sci-fi fantasies, and spout strong opinions.

I wouldn't call that discourse i would call it ignorance.

On one side you have people who know how to build deep nn saying one thing, and on the other there seems to be people who don’t even know what tanh is and are very sure of their “strong” opinions.

Do you have an example of someone who actually knows how LLMs work who has a tribalistic view?

We don’t care about “clean code” (thats mostly just juniors yak shaving into a slow system anyway). We care about correct code -code that is solving the actual problem (as close to correct as possible anyway).

Using an LLM and expecting it to be more than 60-70% is a bad idea. And using it “as a tool” - we have a hard time believing a dev reviewed, understood, and verified 130,000 line PRs every day.

Additionally, it is still unclear if the generated code violates licenses / actually “becomes” your IP.

And the source: https://github.com/robrohan/r2_seq

export function clamp(value: number, min: number, max: number): number { return }

That is just adding an extra jump and entry on the callstack where you could just have done:

Math.min(Math.max(value, min), max);

Where you need it.

(The example used was probably just for illustration though)

Because they are not.

Pattern matching questions on a contrived test is not the same thing as understanding or reasoning.

It’s the same reason why most of the people who pass your leetcode tests don’t actually know how to build anything real. They are taught to the test not taught to reality.

Then I was trying to get someone to do my taxes. So I've been asking every applicant to do my taxes from last year so I can see if they really know what they are doing. I mean sure, they've done taxes for years, but these are my taxes. I've even tried giving them math puzzles around asset depreciation, but people just keep hanging up the phone.

And then, I wanted to add a wing added to my house and I've been trying to get these entitled contractors to come build a shed in my backyard so I can see if they really know how to use nail guns. I've heard people are just big'ol lairs lately, and I need to see how they work. I mean, sure these guys have built many houses in the past, but we have high standards here and only hire A players.

I've only been getting horrible candidates! No one is worth hiring! There is a huge shortage of qualified people.

If only there was a way to fix this.

Excellent - please be sure to mention this in the job description so I can know to never apply to where you work.