People have crazy phone conversations on BART or Caltrain all the time

I do however have no issue doing that basically anywhere I would otherwise have a phone call

Me personally? No I wouldn’t do that because it wouldn’t be comfortable to have a phone call in a coffee shop

Literally everything he described in there is precisely the world we live in today

I grew up in Houston saying all that in the 80s

I’d love a great voice IDE

I literally use my iphone voice to text to transcribe, then go back and edit.

It’s surprising that more people aren’t doing it

There’s more of us techno anarchists out there apparently!

Like you just posted a straight up lie

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_population_by_country

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_population_by_city

One that is more skeptical as a general concept.

However this comes at a significant cost most people choose not to bear

So unfortunately it’s insufficient to simply be cooperative and the fact that macro level cooperation appears to be rare in the universe

Further, the existing examples of mutual cooperative organizations are so rare as to be non-existent. Humans seem to prefer (or are biologically limited to preferring) competition based social and economic structures.

This is just being a scientist at all possible levels of your life and it’s achievable

It doesn’t take any special capabilities to do

Monks are regular people too

I’m very well aware of a lot of people who are not subject to propaganda - you wouldn’t consider them particularly “fun “to be around because usually they are dedicated and focused on something that they actually believe in like being a monk

I know literally zero monks especially in the tibetan tradition that cannot clock propaganda immediately - you could make a strong argument that Buddhism itself is propaganda and I would actually largely concur with you there in the broad sense however in the sense that we’re describing it is a context that you find yourself overwhelmed by

Oh and then if you actually are that smart then you would have read the following quote:

“ If you don’t read the newspaper, you’re uninformed. If you do, you’re misinformed.”

Your bar for “smart people” is probably way lower than it should be if you include people who can’t discriminate between measurable repeatible data and propaganda

https://marktwainstudies.com/the-apocryphal-twain/if-you-don...

Oh none?

Is that because their peaceful means were so successful in not being dominated by a massive group of unencumbered rapists and Pillagers?

What precisely is the argument you’re making here because all you’re doing is proving my point

The idea that people cannot have agency while being subjected to propaganda is totally fucking absurd and demonstrably not true

there are millions of examples of people who can discern propaganda and make decisions based on ground truth data

“Winning” means you have successfully manipulated a person who has so little capacity for reasoning that they will react to and make decisions from propaganda

If the plurality of humans have no ability or desire to actively resist manipulation then they are living in the world they are satisfied with

I’m not going to argue other than to say that you need to view the point from a third party perspective evaluating “fish” vs “more verbose thing,” such that the composition is the determinant of the complexity of interaction (which has a unique qualia per nagel)

Hence why it’s a “unintentional nod” not an instantiation

So again, the most ruthless win

I want to really praise the (unintentional?) nod to Nagel, by limiting capabilities to representation of a fish, the user is immediately able to understand the constraints. It can only talk like a fish cause it’s very simple

Especially compared to public models, thats a really simple correspondence to grok intuitively (small LLM > only as verbose as a fish, larger LLM > more verbose) so kudos to the author for making that simple and fun.