Couldn't have seen many then! Maybe you should look elsewhere.

> Yes if you're running a repeated full OS underneath (hello VMs) then it'll waste more.

Docker is not VMs. Other people have stated this.

> I run (regular) .NET (8) in <50mb, Javascript in <50mb, PHP in <50mb. C, Perl, Go in <20mb.

Good for you. I run web services that are heavier. The container has nothing to do with it.

Ebay in itself isn't unreasonable.

Ebay is unreasonable when the only sellers are untrustworthy sellers, when there was a bunch of scams at the time. Which there were.

I've clarified this many times now. I don't care what interpretation is now of what I said.

> Well for the record, I was going to say something like that in response to "If you are going to be a smart arse, I will modify my statement to say "I could not get a card from a reputable online store as they were all out of stock and did not wish to risk buying from a less reputable one"."

I don't believe you. I've had plenty of stupid conversations like this, with plenty of tech nerds. Rarely happens with non-tech people. I spend some time in non-tech hobby spaces that are technical (Classic Car / Bike repairs) and this convo style never happens.

People like yourself think you are being clever buy poking holes in everything that said. I am quite happy to be quite obnoxious in pointing this out. I am tired of it. I am this cantankerous IRL about this btw.

The fact is that you could not buy a new graphics card in the UK for some time during COVID via almost every online retailers. I had conversations with other people in the UK that wanted to buy PC hardware and they were in the same situation. The same was true for the Pi 4 at the time. Making stupid semantic arguments doesn't change that fact.

> Edit: And it doesn't help that you never actually did that modification, and instead keep insisting that what you originally said means the same thing.

For all intents and purposes it is the same thing if you aren't engaging in pedantry and semantics. I try not to engage in it anymore (unless it is tit for tat), because I understand it pisses people off. You obviously don't care.

You are misunderstanding what is being said. I suspect it is deliberate.

It is often said that "Prevention is often better than the cure". Similarly it is often better not to risk spending your money unwisely than to have to go through processes to recover your money. It matters not what the specifics of the situation was (it happened a decade or more ago)

I communicated that quite clearly. So you either didn't understand or you are deliberately misunderstanding what I said.

> Like you admitted that you _do not remember_ why it was entirely unreasonable or impossible and are arguing against people that do possess memory of it being possible and reasonable enough for them at the time. Amazing stuff.

I bet you felt really clever constructing that. However as explained the specifics weren't the point. Avoiding the process entirely for funds recovery is the point.

I honestly think it is most of them.

> Some were absolute stinkers - like you describe. But I've also worked with some wonderful people and on some great, high performance teams.

I've totally given up on it. People don't value your work. I did a piece for a particular company. It worked perfectly. It was thrown away after a year and half because management decided everything should be rewritten in ignoring the fact that what I had written was well documented and worked absolutely fine.

Now I shouldn't really care right? I was paid and all. But it pissed me off. What the point in doing a good job if people just throw your work in the bin?

I am looking at what my options are going forward. I am honestly considering being a car mechanic (I fix my own vehicles) or work outside for the canal trust. Realistically I suspect I might pivot to QA or doing something security related.

> I understand that its not so easy when you're 43 (and maybe, with kids). But you don't need to stay in a job like this. Its not worth getting ground down like this. Its bad for your health. And its horrible for your career in the long run.

I've been looking for over 2 years. I want to move to be closer to my family which are 300 miles away (the other side of the UK). So remote is a must. A large number of positions are hybrid, so not an option.

Outside of that many of the position in the UK are working Defence, Intelligence or Law Enforcement. All of those I have ethical reasons why I won't work for them. Outside of that there is Gambling, Pay day loans, and spooky stuff like tracking people via facial recognition.

> In the words of my favorite poet: The world is made to be free in. Give up all the other worlds except the one to which you belong.

I find this condescending.

You like the other people are was arguing with are pretending that the options were reasonable. They weren't at the time. Many other people I know thought the same.

There was no stock for any GPU except for absolute crap on any of the retail sites in the UK. There are not many options in the UK generally. It is not like the US.

As far as I am concerned what you are engaging is effectively gas-lighting.

> The line from “I just didn’t feel like doing something once” through to “My predictions for the future about a different problem are obviously true” is clear as day. Can’t see why anyone would disagree

If you deliberately want to misunderstand what is said you could draw that conclusion. Which is blatantly what you are doing.

The only thing I claimed about the current high price DRAM situation is:

1) It is likely to get worse before it gets better (due to supply chain issues due to current wars). 2) It resolve itself over time and you should be patient and just make your existing stuff last as long as possible.

That is how any crisis often plays out and I was actually telling people in my original statement not to be all doom and gloom and just be patient. It will sort itself out. It won't be this year for sure.

If you run normal web applications they often take many hundreds of megabytes if they are built with some popular languages that I happened to list off the top of my head. That is a fact.

Comparing that to cut down frameworks with many limitations meant for embedded devices isn't a valid comparison.

You get beaten down eventually. Late last year. I spent like an hour going through why a PR (and this developer's work) in general wasn't acceptable to my superior. He said to me that he was perfectly fine with someone not understanding basic language features (after 6 months using the langauge). He then merged it.

It didn't work (as I had warned) and created a situation where I had to turn off tests in some projects as it totally broke them. I've spent months fixing his crap and still haven't recovered from one bad PR. Now add two other employees that are like this and my manager does nothing about it. I bought a AI package from Jetbrains and now have it do almost all the work. I normally spend some time cleaning it up. Management have made it clear to me that they don't care about quality, they won't hold anyone accountable and won't even fire people that clearly cannot program.

I am 43 years old this year. I just can't be bothered trying to be a hero anymore.

Similarly, my father who retired last week was a joiner/carpenter and would be considered a master boat builder. When my sister was little my dad made her new bed with hearts and flowers carved in the headboard.

He described how adversarial he was too his employer before he retired. He was engaging in Malicious compliance (he is a layman and didn't know it was called that) because management was making his life miserable by employing the same sort of the stand-up meeting ceremony nonsense in carpentry.

They managed to make someone with that level of skill hate their job because of process.

It has been often used by companies, malware authors etc. to make it difficult for someone else to understand what is internally happening.

Paying a scalper on ebay isn't. Which is what I said. Misstating what I said is disingenuous.

> You could have gotten another 1080Ti from a legitimate previous owner.

They were being scalped as well. Also people were holding onto their 10 series cards because the other cards were too expensive. So I would have had to buy an older card (which I had already had one fail) at an inflated price.

I could have bought a GT 710 or a GT1030, but that wouldn't have been any better than my 8800GTS really.

I could have flown to Taiwan and bought a card. I could have stolen one. I am sure you will invent another fantasy scenario where I could have gotten a graphics card that I didn't think about at the time.

The fact is that I could not buy a new card from an online retailer in the UK as they were out of stock. Even when they did come into stock there was a lotto system. So you couldn't really buy one then. That is a fact.

I am not categorising any situation. The vast majority of people would omit unreasonable options.

I could buy a racing bike that is £5000 new, for £200 when I live in London (back in 2000s). The bike would most likely would have been stolen. So technically I can buy a £5000 bike for £200. But most people wouldn't want to buy from a thief and consider it unethical.

People feel similarly about scalpers and other untrustworthy sellers.

> You calling me disingenuous over this is painful to look at. Get out of your own head for a second.

You started the conversation claiming I was outright lying. Then when I clarified to you what I meant you continued claiming I was lying/misstating. That is really annoying.

If you could have just said "okay that is fair, while you might have been doing X and Y, I can understand why you didn't want to do that". That would have been fine. But that didn't happen.

Try it in a IRL conversation and see how quickly someone gets annoyed with you. It won't be very long.

> "Smart arse" is name-calling.

I said "If you are going to be a smart arse". Which means "If you are going to engage in this behaviour then ...".

I never called anyone names.

> Why don't you step back from the keyboard for a bit and cool down. Might do you some good.

I am perfectly fine. I can be mildly annoyed by someone and still be quite rational.

Also this sort of statement is close to concern trolling.

You are being pedantic. I find this type of discussion very tiresome. I've explained why in other forks of this thread. Quite honestly it pisses me off.

> Also, re: Raspberry Pis, you couldn't always get the exact RAM configuration you wanted, but they were pretty continuously available during COVID on Aliexpress. You did have to pay 3-5x normal price, but you could do it. I really needed one after one at home died, and paid the 3x markup, and it was annoying but fine. Not sure if Aliexpress is equally as available in the UK as it is here in the US, though.

Not in the UK. Someone was running a site with all the places that you could buy from. I was checking most days. Stock was extremely limited other than a few models.

So I suggest in future you should learn that using this line of logic (where you expect me to do something unreasonable to a huge number of people) is not something that people are going to put up with. It is really annoying to have to converse in this manner and in fact I believe that often that is wholly disingenuous and I no longer wish to speak to you.

I would expect people to understand that unreasonable options should be omitted from conversation.

There was no stock at any of the online outlets that are commonly used in the UK when it came to GPUs for what seemed like a long time.

> I'd rate my pedantry level as quite low. From my point of view this is not a nitpick.

"I have investigated myself and found that I did nothing wrong".

It is for any normal person in relatively normal setting.

Only amongst technical people is this sort of discourse tolerated where someone pretends that an unreasonable option (the scalper in this case as you admitted yourself) should be included in a statement when it is perfectly obvious it should not be included because it is not in any way reasonable.

I could have flown to the US and bought a card or China. Is that reasonable? For most people it isn't reasonable. It wasn't for me. Buying from an untrustworthy seller, is unreasonable.

> the first statement is sensational, and untrue, especially considering you emphasized "at any price" in your original comment.

They were out of stock on every reputable site. Therefore I could not buy a card at any price from them because they didn't exist.

> That's what you should have said in the first place; that would have been honest and correct.

I was honest and correct to begin with. The poster was using prices and availability in the US and not the UK.

> And please, there's no need to call the other poster names.

I never called them names. I expressed my annoyance at their behaviour.

I am a web developer of over 20 years. I can create insanely optimised pages using nothing other than vanilla CSS and JS.

I have been paid exactly once to do this. There is a site I built in 2023 that has a JS and CSS footprint of less than 100KB after GZip (large site). We even had the Go templates compiled when the web app initialised so the server responded as fast as possible.

Guess what happened when it went live? The content team use 8mb images for everything and every single optimisation I did at CSS/JS was totally useless.

Devs don't care because the people above them don't care and therefore there is zero incentive to even bother.

I've had problems with it before (I can't remember specifics as it was a while ago). I'd rather not going through the hassle and/or risk in the first place.

There are still plenty of scams on ebay. During this era there were people scamming. e.g the box for a GPU. Listing the entire specs and then putting right at the bottom of the listing it was only the box and not the card.

> Well not to be mean but I think "I refused to use ebay" invalidates your claim that you couldn't buy a card.

What you are doing is being hyper-pedantic. It is fucking tiresome when people do this online.

If you are going to be a smart arse, I will modify my statement to say "I could not get a card from a reputable online store as they were all out of stock and did not wish to risk buying from a less reputable one".

I would be foolish to trust some overpriced (or underpriced) listing on ebay. I've had an ebay/paypal account now for 25+ years, I've learned to never do this because I got screwed every time I did.

> If you were offering 5x MSRP and you couldn't get a video card... I don't believe you.

My 1080Ti had died. I had to use a 8800GTS from the late 2000s for about a year. As that was the only GPU I had. I have no iGPU on my CPU.

There was at one time, no stock available. Not on Amazon, Not on Overclockers, Not on Scan. They had some weird lotto system taking place on most sites.

Scalpers claimed to have cards. But I wouldn't risk sending a lot of money to some random seller on ebay.

> Unless this article is massively misleading, sure it was out of stock at 1x price but it wasn't out of stock at 2-3x price.

Again I am in the UK. You could not buy any PI other than 1GB model and maybe the zero. Both of which were useless to me.