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<p>> If you hand me two sheets of paper, one of them containing instructions and another containing data, I'll have a pretty easy time keeping them separate<p>You think. But there are ways around that. How about a credible extortion message targeting specifically you, that is embedded somewhere on the data sheet? Suddenly, the data has become the instructions...</p>
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<p>> Firstly, AI is not going to take away all jobs<p>Human-level AGI is by definition able to take away all human jobs.<p>> Secondly, we already know what happens when sectors face mass unemployment from the 1980s, when steel and coal workers were laid off en-masse: nobody came to help<p>There is a massive difference between 20-30% of people in a country being unemployed (historical sector-wide collapses), and 80-100% of people in a country being unemployed (human-level AGI unemployment). The second situation is completely historically unprecedented and will *not* lead to the same results.<p>> In a context where the state already has less tax revenue due to mass unemployment!<p>If human-level AGI is an actual reality, taxation (and money itself) is no longer relevant. Only energy and resources may still matter.</p>
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<p>That does not follow. The argument about the <i>possibility</i> of artificial intelligence makes absolutely no claims about the purpose of human or artificial intelligence. One is a claim about "is", another is a claim about "ought".</p>
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<p>> Creating new humans is easy (and fun)<p>This could not be further from the truth.<p>Creating a new educated, competent human takes ~25 years, and significant costs and resources.<p>AGI can be just copy-pasted at essentially no cost. Even a robot that is mass-produced for tens of thousands of dollars is still much less expensive and takes much less time to make than a competent human.</p>
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<p>> Nobody benefits by having less time to adapt<p>Not exactly true. If AI goes from 0 to 100 quickly (human level AGI in a few years), we will all lose our jobs together and will have to confront this fact. There is no ignoring such massive societal elephant in the room.<p>If instead AI improves slowly, lots of people will lose their jobs, but majority will not. Those still with jobs may not be persuaded by the sizable jobless minority to support any societal changes, since they are still OK. This means the jobless will be screwed.</p>
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<p>> Which is almost never the case.<p>Well, the topic is about AI..</p>
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<p>> until we stop mixing up instructions with data<p>Is such a thing even possible with a generally intelligent system processing content with unlimited diversity?</p>
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<p>>nuclear weapons + nuclear energy (luckily we had no nuclear war, but benefits here are not worth risks)<p>>AI in general and LLM specifically so far<p>>smartphones in general and social media specifically<p>>maybe internet overall, maybe computers overall<p>I disagree that these are net negatives.</p>
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<p>> is it export if they take control of the entire island manufacturing it.<p>If.</p>
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<p>Not a lot of lifting? The standard of living increase for the average person has been substantial. Poverty metrics are falling all over the world.</p>
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<p>Corporations colluding with the government is nothing new, it happened since both corporations and government existed, yet standard of living keeps increasing.</p>
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<p>It is, if they get cheap enough.</p>
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<p>Those are just specific applications of some technology, not comparable to AI in general.</p>
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<p>This is just nostalgia. Most things are objectively better today.</p>
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<p>Transportation fueled by fossil fuels is the foundational technology of modern civilization. It is comparable to electricity or the printing press. AI will be like this too in the future.</p>
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<p>> This analogy is great, because your grandchildren will probably not consider gasoline to be a great technology, they'll consider it the thing that caused the wars and the famines.<p>They will also realize that industrial civilization enabled by gasoline was a necessary step towards the renewable energy utopia they are living in. Developing advanced technology takes a lot of energy.</p>
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<p>> If you judge on aggregate then "Every great technology developed to date has been a net positive" is nonsense.<p>It's not nonsense. If you think so, provide one great technology that has been a net negative.</p>
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<p>> Do you have an argument why "normal" technology can be good or bad, but "consequential" technology is always good?<p>Because consequential technology has many applications in diverse fields. And applications of technology are more often beneficial than harmful. So if the technology is broadly useful, in aggregate the beneficial applications will outweight the harmful ones.</p>
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<p>That's conspiracy thinking. The corporations just care about the quarterly results. There is no grand plan.</p>
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<p>Even if it would be true (dubious), as long as those entities are controlled by humans, they will have a strong incentive to nuke any fully autonomous AI with obvious military objectives.</p>
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