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<p>How does building said models prevent them from existing?<p>Prevention should look a lot more like a global moratorium with whatever enforcement is necessary to stop and prevent any breaches of the agreement.<p>Edit: I did misread your comment on first pass, we may be in agreement here. Sorry!</p>
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<p>That's a very deep rabbit hole to go down, to deep for this conversation. Suffice it to say that if a pathogen has a vaccine that is proven safe and effective there's a reasonable case to be made for requiring it. It gets very murky when we try to define "safe" and "effective" though.</p>
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<p>I'm not sure if those were ever enforced, but I could be wrong. More importantly though, I disagree strongly with that rule when they either tried to, or did, implement and enforce it with the ACA.</p>
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<p>But how frequent are those events? I'm happy to be wrong, I just never saw it as a likely or common occurrence and for me it falls below the level of risk with which I want to empower the government to regulate it.</p>
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<p>1. Yeah that's a good example when it could happen. I expect that is rare enough that it would reasonably fall to insurance rather than regulation. We simply can't regulate every small chance event that could impact others.<p>2. Victimless here matters in context of regulation. It seems reasonable to consider someone emotionally harmed is a victim, though its important to decide whether emotional harm felt by one is a direct action caused by the other. For example, if someone emotionally responds to seeing my dead body I didn't directly force that reaction on them and I wouldn't say there is direct responsibility for it.<p>3. We aren't talking about the act of wearing seat belts, everyone should choose to because it is easy. We're talking about regulation and government authority. Regulating sugary drinks, for example, would almost certainly be more impactful.<p>4. Brakes aren't the problem if the vehicle stopped quickly enough to make me a projectile.<p>And to be clear, I to wear a seat belt and want everyone to choose to. I just don't want a government to have the authority to require it and fine us if we don't do it.</p>
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<p>I said this in a sibling comment, but when do we begin regulating other personal choices in the name of shared health care costs?<p>I see the problem there as being a society wholely dependent on a risk sharing insurance scheme, not any one particular factor that can raise rates.<p>Edit: its also worth noting that health insurance, and all insurance in the US unless I'm mistaken, is something you choose to use. You don't have to have health insurance at all, meaning you are choosing to take on the risk that others' decisions impact your rates and decided that is worth the benefits you gain from the coverage.</p>
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<p>1. I'm not sure how that would happen in practice. If my body is the projectile, they would have to be immediately in front of my vehicle as it slams into whatever it hit. My body is likely the least of their problems in that scenario.<p>2. Emotional harm is a very difficult thing to protect against. In no way am I waving it off as unimportant, but people can be emotionally harmed by literally anything. We can care about that, but we can't easily regulate for it.<p>3. There is much lower hanging fruit if you are concerned with the societal cost of an unhealthy population. If we get to body disposal as top of the list I'll feel pretty damn good about where were at.<p>4. Isn't 4 the same as 1?</p>
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<p>But that's exactly my point. If they actually did legitimately fear that AGI or whatever the bar is could significantly impact all of humanity in a bad way they wouldn't be okay with saying "well this coat of paint sort of slows down the rust."<p>Either its a dangerous technology or it isn't, and if it is then surface level fixes that kind of work is completely unacceptable.</p>
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<p>I don't follow, sorry. What does someone else crashing into me have to do with seat belts?<p>We <i>do</i> require car insurance for just such an occasion as one driver harms another.</p>
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<p>I miss the days when that was the argument. Maybe I'm getting old, but growing up the general categorization was that Democrats were for the working class, opposed to large corporations, and for individual freedoms and Republicans were for a small federal government, balanced budgets, and a grab bag of "conservative" views that often rolled up to traditional family and christian values.<p>Today those tropes are very inaccurate, but many voters still take them as true distinctions. The last balanced budget was under a democratic president. Both parties have voted for expansions of federal authority, the Patriot Act and its renewal for example. Both parties want to tell us what we can and can't do to our own bodies, though they disagree on specific policies. Both parties believe in states' rights only after losing federal office.<p>The list goes on and on, suffice it to say we don't have a clear distinction of two parties with differing principles of how governments should be designed.</p>
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<p>This extreme makes the question meaningless. A government isn't a government if it can't regulate and has no authority.<p>Its fundamentally different to say governments or individuals should have no power or freedom.<p>By design, governments have the winning end of a power imbalance and limiting them helps protect those on the losing end. Limiting those already on the losing end makes it worse for almost everyone (assuming the government is a small portion of the population).</p>
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<p>I have been surprised how few people seem to gave taken the lesson from Trump that creating federal authority today empowers all future leaders.<p>Courts have slapped down some of Trump's actions thankfully, but a lot of what he has done that many disagree with simply shouldn't be legal and only are because in the past we had what may have been good reason to solve a short term problem.<p>Trump shouldn't have been legally allowed to enact a war without congressional approval <i>before</i> it began. As it stands he was able to sneak through with the war powers act, congress is completely unwilling to enforce their own oversight authority, and Trump eventually redefined how to interpret the war powers act and again congress rolled their eyes and didn't challenge it.</p>
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<p>Sure, are you assuming I'm not similarly opposed to that authority?<p>If I crash without a seatbelt on and die, my going through the windshield harms only myself.<p>The government shouldn't have any mandating what we can and can't do if the only victim in said crime would be the same person doing that thing.</p>
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<p>By related to I assume you mean correlates with though. To be fair, we can't say there is a causal link (even if it does seem very likely).</p>
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<p>The Biden administration absolutely wanted to mandate covid vaccines, they just didn't believe they would get it past the courts. Instead they leveraged their ability to drive a massive smear campaign against anyone in the public who chose not to get vaccinated.<p>And to be clear, vaccines <i>are</i> mandated for anyone who wishes to use the school system they already pay for via property taxes.</p>
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<p>Regardless of motivations for this case, I take this as a clear sign that we've reached the point where the federal government decides its within their authority to mandate this <i>and</i> its reasonable for them to do it.<p>Governments don't give up power, and once there's precedence for use of that power they'll continue to do it and begin eyeing the next power they can claim.</p>
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<p>There aren't many working on it though, definitely not enough given how many resources are going into building AI.<p>AI safety at these labs are largely focused on surface level measures and aren't empowered to stop progress of the company. I was surprised when Anthropic initially held Mythos back from the public, but it was always a temporary measure to give controlled access rather than a pause to make meaningful improvements in AI safety.</p>
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<p>I don't see any reason we should put weight behind their supposed fears today though. It's completely irrational to build the very thing you think could seriously harm or kill us all.<p>Yes they may have had those fears before, but even then it didn't stop them from building companies and running full speed towards the end goal with little to no effort spent on meaningful safety efforts.</p>
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<p>I put very little weight behind any of those fearful statements made years ago. I assume leaders of those companies are fairly smart and rational, and there's no rational explanation for them running companies building the very thing they (supposedly) genuinely believe could kill us all.<p>I don't doubt they may have held genuine fears in the past, but those are long gone by now.</p>
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<p>Neither party in the US is opposed to overregulation, from my perspective that died a good twenty years ago.<p>Both parties want regulation and a larger federal government. They disagree only on what regulations they want, and even then its largely in optics as they tend to agree on much of the big picture.<p>Both parties agree that the federal government should have the authority to tell people what they can and can't do to their own body, for example. Its just that one party wants to use it to mandate vaccines and the other prefers to tell women they can't have an abortion.</p>
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