With a box of scraps!

The way these type checkers get fast is usually by not supporting the crazy rich reality of realworld python code.

The reason we're stuck on mypy at work is because it's the only type checker that has a plugin for Django that properly manages to type check its crazy runtime generated methods.

I wish more python tooling took the TS approach of "what's in the wild IS the language", as opposed to a "we only typecheck the constructs we think you SHOULD be using".

The reason we're stuck on mypy at work is because it's the only type checker that has a plugin for Django that properly manages to type check its crazy runtime generated methods.

I wish more python tooling took the TS approach of "what's in the wild IS the language", as opposed to a "we only typecheck the constructs we think you SHOULD be using".

Most newer blizzard games will get a lot better due to this!

All type checkers other than mypy (e.g. pyright, intellij) have ignored the level of plugin support necessary to make django work well, and so they are DOA for any large existing django codebase. Unless ruff decides to support such a dynamic interface as mypy's, it'll fare no better.

We use mypy with [django-stubs](https://github.com/typeddjango/django-stubs) which works ok nowadays.

There was an effort to create a typechecking plugin interface for dataclass-style transforms for python type checkers, but what was merged was so lacking that one couldn't even make something close to django-stubs with it.

As this bug now has become known to always have been there, i could probably force amd to replace my 3900x if they don't provide software patches.

Has anyone else attempted a similar RTM for software defects?

Users must be able to get their own data exported, in some useful format.

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Here's our plugin setup in mypy.ini in case this helps (Django 4.2 + drf 3.14)

  [mypy]
  plugins =
      mypy_django_plugin.main,
      mypy_drf_plugin.main
  ignore_missing_imports = True
  follow_imports = silent
  no_implicit_optional = True
  warn_unused_ignores = True
  check_untyped_defs = True
  disallow_untyped_defs = True
  disallow_untyped_calls = True
  warn_unreachable = True
  strict_equality = True
  allow_redefinition = True
  show_error_codes = True
  mypy_path = stubs
  
  [mypy.plugins.django-stubs]
  django_settings_module = 'mycompany.settings'

  mypy==1.6.0
  django-stubs==4.2.4
  django-stubs-ext==4.2.2
  djangorestframework-stubs==3.14.3

  FILES_TO_MYPY = $(shell ls mycompany/\*/validators.py mycompany/\*/services.py mycompany/\*/selectors.py mycompany/\*/managers.py | sort | uniq)

  # 1)We have to grep out django-manager-missing like this until the following bug
  # is fixed: https://github.com/python/mypy/issues/12987.
  # 2) We grep out the line of `Found 95 errors in 16 files (checked 83 source
  # files)` that now appears as we use follow-imports: silent, because there's a
  # bug where errors from imported modules are counted against the total even
  # though they aren't emitted. If any real errors appear we get them as a
  # separate line anyways.
  .PHONY: mypy
  mypy:
   @{ MYPY_FORCE_COLOR=${NOT_CI} $(VENV)/bin/mypy --config-file mypy.ini $(FILES_TO_MYPY) 2>&3 | grep -v 'django-manager-missing\|errors in'; } 3>&1 | tee $(HYRE_TESTS_OUTPUT_PATH)/mypy.stdout.txt

  model = MyModel.objects.get()
  othermodel = model.othermodel_set.first()
  reveal_type(othermodel)  # correctly revealed to note: Revealed type is "Union[mycompany.importpath.models.OtherModel None]"

  model = MyModel.objects.get()
  othermodel = model.ooooothermodel_set.first()  # revealed as MyModel has no attribute ooooothermodel_set, perhaps you ment othermodel_set
.

We use mypy + [django-stubs](https://github.com/typeddjango/django-stubs) (in a huge Django + drf project at day job) which includes a plugin for mypy allowing it to recognize all reverse relations and manager methods. Mypy is still really rough around the edges. The cli args are poorly documented, and how they correspond to declarations in a mypy.ini / pyproject.toml is mysterious. Match-statements still have bugs even a year after release. Exclusion of untyped / partially typed files and packages we've had to solve with grep filtering mypy's output for our whitelisted set of files, as it's been unable to separate properly between errors you care about (in your own codebase) and errors in others code (dependencies, untypable dynamic python packages etc).

The largest issue IMO is that mypy tried to adapt a java / OOP style way of type system onto python, instead of recognizing the language's real power within duck typing and passing structural types around. Typescript chose the right approach here, modelling javascript the way it is actually written, favoring structural over nominal typing, instead of the archaic and now left-behind way of Java-style OOP that has influenced mypy.

There was a recently accepted PEP which allowed for limited dataclass transforms, enough to cover the @attr.s usecase for both mypy and pyright, but nowhere near expressive enough to cover django's models and ORM sadly. It's probably impossible / undesirable to allow for such rich plugins, so i see the future for proper pluginless typing to be more akin to how pydantic / normal dataclasses solve typing, by starting with a specification of the types, deriving its runtime implementation, instead of plugins having to reverse the type representation of a custom DSL.

- low profile, fantastic

- not full size. Numpads only get in the way!

- mechanical keys

- rotary encoder. Useful for everything! Fl studio, moving pixels in vegas, audio knob etc.

- i don’t mind the font, but perhaps a version without any typography would be nice.

I hope they’ll ship to Norway.

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View in chrome with webgl on for the best experience, or on your iPhone if you have a newer one!

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You can see the final packed .PNG results here: Crankwork Steamfist https://stianj.com/crankwork-steamfist/, Everything is Fashion https://stianj.com/fashion/, and Inakuwa Oasis http://arkt.is/inakuwa-oasis/.

The tool used for creating both the demos and the packed .PNG is made by us and available on GitHub here https://github.com/ninjadev/nin/.