Glyphosate and the by products are certainly safer than many registered herbicides currently available to much of the western world.

The wetter in the formulation of the official Roundup has certainly changed - what I used in the 1990's a few drops of the diluted ready to spray mix accidentally making skin contact would give me a bad headache even if I noticed it right away and washed it off ... when I used the official brand again (for a time, mostly 00's) they priced Roundup out of my farming budget) in the late 10's I noted that I was able to easily wash off any splash back without resulting in a bad headache.

I have been long following the twists and turns that certain big companies, one of which used to own the patent on Glyphosate until 1999 when they let it expire, with a plan to simply create a very large plant in iirc South America which would chase off the competition that have sought to produce Glyphosate for export usage. Unfortunately they put the price up (3x retail here in Australia) due to oil prices costs during the 00's and then China stepped up. I also know they have in place $$$$ BS products to suit their new patented seed which is herbicide ready which when I look over application requirements, complete 100% leaf coverage to work properly implies it is no where near as easy to use as regular roundup.

To be clear I really value Glyphosate as a herbicide as for agriculture it saves fuel, equipment wear and time when used properly. Even so since many are pointing fingers, it is important not to just gloss over any problems that using it might cause, even though I am quite sure there are worse herbicides to be had coming into use having observed this in my immediate locale.

Farming systems that use herbicides, are going to cycle though every few years of using Glyphosate, so there's little point IMO of creating a special study that looks into Glyphosate residues over more than a few years where they are monitoring the degree of fractional amount that could remain - there are too many variations of soil types, rainfall and temperature to be greatly useful. Any results of how long it might persist would more likely come from real life examples - areas where its use has been phased out, but the difficulty most (if not all) would not have an accurate starting point of just how much Glyphosate was applied in total, time period and weather conditions to extrapolate carefully.

Detection is different to a noteworthy amount of product that is bound to clay or other particles which has prohibited biological degradation. Many who conduct studies in complex systems are usually focused on just a small number of instances they feel might encompass most of the issue they believe to be at heart ... to the point of dismissing local / on the ground knowledge.

Yes the study used fish which can be useful ... however they tried to simulate using the raw product. It would have been better had they had some water from a month after a paddock was sprayed and used surface or underground flow. What it actually means, for example to those like myself who use it regularly, is there is certainly evidence we have to be doubly careful to ensure no or as little as possible over spray of waterways occurs which contain aquatic life.

A better study might be what results might be when groundwater that has a noteworthy amount, is then heated with bound Glyphosate and it's by products, to simulate cooking and boiling of the water.

>"Nothing to do with soil persistance."

Do you think that if soil was measured for a study it was watered only with distilled water? The purpose of mentioning was to suggest that there's an uncertainty as to what may have been measured.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Half-life

Edit: as not was

There is a study [1] which was via information from the link from the parent comment. Interpretation of results though is the issue. From their method of study, to myself it's clear that storing heavy mineralised ground water in a used Glyphosate spray tank or product drum, is a not a very good idea given the results of the study. It is though a different story for the groundwater given that degradation in soil [2] [3] is measured in half lives and depends on many factors. As for detection - there may well be some complex of Glyphosate that has resisted breaking down a couple decades later, but one would expect the amount would probably be far less that the allowable or typical amount of Glyphosate found in food from crops that have been sprayed with it prior to harvest.

The other question is what breakdown complexes are they measuring for detecting Glyphosate. For years roundup was though to be still be at higher levels of use than it should have been after it was phased out in some European countries ... based on levels detected in rivers. [4] [5] and the preprint via [6] indicate that some detergents were to blame for the higher detection level.

[1] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/41580968/

[2] https://pdf.benchchem.com/1263/Glyphosate_s_Fate_An_In_depth... [pdf]

[3] https://greenfieldesg.com/how-long-does-roundup-last-in-the-...

[4] https://phys.org/news/2024-07-glyphosate-european-rivers-far...

[5]https://uni-tuebingen.de/en/university/news-and-publications...

[6] https://www.researchgate.net/publication/378883530_Glyphosat... -> [Preprint] https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-3917957/v1

So I tried a newer chrome variant browser and it loaded ... and then tried the old firefox browser to recall if the bot protection was related to cloudflare and ... it opened without issue.

I could try a different browser - but in the time I wait for the site to decide if I'm not a bot, if I'm that invested, I've already done a quick search of topic heading and ...

[1] https://www.linkedin.com/posts/davereddick_mysterious-kidney...

[2] Most labouring job sites I've been at in the 00s at least always had a very prominent chart regarding urine colour and the dangers of dehydration, and heat stroke. As such most workers at various sites I've worked at being much more aware of urine colour regarding dehydration than most of the medical staff I encountered at the hospital my Mum died in.

Edit: Forgot to mention my locale is North Queensland Australia - it gets fairly hot though summers.

Compulsory voting just means that there's no space where some of the population can hop on the high horse of saying the political troubles of the country have nothing to do with them as they didn't vote. I used to work around the loop holes and got out of voting until my early mid 20s when I just didn't give that much of a hoot either way for state or federal politics.

Technofeudalism could be further amplified with LLMs / AI. Expect a small fraction of its overall output as useful, the rest will be spent on population analysis to keep the population in it's place. First step; just remove good public search engines that deliver good results regardless of where one lives or their place in society.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technofeudalism

[2] https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-05/what-is-technofeudali...

Almost always what echoes in the quiet gap between the reality there is if not multiple billions of dollars of expenditure to implement going nuclear with Uranium, is the repetitive assertion just having all that Uranium is why we should go ahead with it. Well actually we have plenty of Thorium too, and the by product waste is not as great an issue.

[1] https://world-nuclear.org/information-library/nuclear-fuel-c...

[2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7Cs8I-6PkQ [video 27 mins] How a Nuclear Power Plant Is Actually Decommissioned — The Full $20B Process

- can take 30 to 60 years - average US nuclear plant decommission cost sits around 10 billion dollars.

[1] > *"However, tempered glass has a critical weakness: nickel sulfide inclusions. These microscopic impurities can form during manufacturing and remain dormant for years. Over time, temperature fluctuations cause these inclusions to expand, creating internal stress."

[1] https://cardog.app/blog/exploding-sunroofs-panoramic-glass

The ban also means parents and teachers alike have the means to make children put their phone down or away and pay more attention to real life things.

[1] One in particular iirc though.

I no longer accurately recall but I think the first time this sort of BS in my locale was newsworthy it regarded near quarter mile (300 m) of beach seaoaks (Casuarina equisetifolia) that had been poisoned or ring barked along the coastal beach dune which fronted an older suburb. Obviously one of the new owners had decided they wanted a better view, the local council responded iirc by hanging two or more widths of shade cloth on tall poles along the entire length to ensure even those with an observation deck at a higher vantage point were met with a blocked view.

[1] https://jennifermarohasy.com/2026/06/25-years-diuron-mangrov...

[2] A merely anonymous but believable account of early to mid 00s had some local water authority near Rockhampton (Central Queensland) applying around 95 tonne (three truck tractor [semi trailer] loads delivered to site) of soluble diuron, in a spraying campaign on its waterways to combat a problem weed - and to date I've not heard any accounts of severe die-back along the banks of the Fitzroy or mangrove thickets near Rockhampton.

[3] Diuron started to be sold as a dry formulation for easier storage and handling. Unfortunately the dry formulation I've used and observed, as well as when other farmers have used it, it was easy to spot a fine coat of undissolved particles on the leaves of any plants in the spray zone. I found when it was mixed as instructed with water and / or other herbicides and additives, it did not fully dissolve, with a significant proportion of the product being a fine suspension - to fully dissolve and get bang for buck I found it required treating the dry diuron with suitable solvents and emulsifiers until it was fully dissolved first and then added as per usual. I would speculate higher than expected diuron measurements from samples, it was the undissolved particles which were quite significant, would have slowly washed off the plant and a fraction of it would have been undoubtedly in heavy rain events, carried with run off water to the coast line and out to sea, along also with oil laden leaves of various trees, which given time would slowly dissolve the diuron consequently harm any susceptible plant life

End of day many worried about fossil fuel use could switch to use biofuel or green fuel. Hydrogen though would be great for those stuck near a construction site and sick of fuel fumes.

Though some companies [1] [2] do have larger 20, 30 t loaders and excavators using battery power, I would have thought at this stage of the game apart from a very small caveat [3] serious research would be moving towards hybrid battery / hydrogen fuel cell ... and eventually that hydrogen coming by way of ammonia - present stationary anhydrous ammonia systems exist, but it'll get more interesting with wet / liquid ammonia (aqua ammonia) systems for power production for machinery.

[1] https://evmagazine.com/top10/top-10-electric-construction-ve...

[2] https://www.volvoce.com/australia/en-au/products/electric-ma...

[3] Hydraulic systems are said to be designed to work better warmed up so there's less working life advantage for battery based efficient systems that are only drawing power when needed - especially in situations where hydraulic equipment is being used lightly and infrequently. (However I think many would reason that eventually the savings would easily pay for / allow faster replacement, and over the coming years hydraulic systems will be engineered to have longer low temp life cycles.)

The initial debate about harmful algorithms should be settled. The original issues social media was asked to address (but refused) at the end of the 10s, the under 16 ban for at least the smart social media players in the market, should now be permanently sorted out ... even if under 16 children still use it. No doubt the once troubling algorithms that were reportedly funnelling some of the more vulnerable into darker area like self harm or other objectionable areas, was not nearly as hard as social media companies claimed it was to remove ... and were ceremoniously yanked out the minute the law took effect -- because the last thing any profit orientated company wants is to be dragged into courts where first on the slate is an account that belonged to an under 16 year old child which ended in some sort of tragedy, and even an unsophisticated screening would have suggested the content was clearly an issue.

Kids will remain using social media, that's a given, like to but a very much less extent, those who unlawfully also use various motorised vehicles on public roads, those that do probably better understand the risks, as would their parents. Parent and teachers who are so tired of kids having their nose in the smart phone rather than on other things they were supposed to do, now have the means to enforce it.

Personally the spate of kids steaming themselves doing silly things for cred which occasionally was newsworthy enough has dropped off - it's been many months since I've noted any such new material - but then again, my selection of tv and internet media is limited.

[1] https://forums.matrixgames.com/viewtopic.php?t=84680

[2] https://volokh.com/archives/archive_2006_01_08-2006_01_14.sh...

I used my searchfoo and Sage Industries lands in more of the top results [1] [2] (may require careful attention to distinguish between natural and artificial geothermal) As well as an interview [youtube]

There's obviously different methods that have been employed / tried by other companies given [3] which outlines different methods of storage also includes some simple graphics ...

[1] https://www.aveva.com/en/our-industrial-life/type/article/tu...

[2] https://new.abb.com/news/detail/123160/abb-and-sage-geosyste...

[youtube] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSt-MiiX0Fg (Transmission 43 mins Geothermal: Turning Oil Wells Into Energy Storage - Sage Geosystems) [podcast]

[3] https://www.energy.gov/hgeo/geothermal/geothermal-energy-sto...

I would suggest change setting to show dead, then visit /asknew

Edit, typo, no -> not