As for nattokinase, I'd recommend looking around for diverse real-life experiences (I believe actual studies on long-COVID patients are still lacking). I'm not up to date, but I remember many people went straight for (Amazon-sourced) nattokinase supplements, and for some, it was too much and it made them feel ill.

Otherwise (not sure whether this would deliver the therapeutic dose you might need) natto itself makes a good breakfast — traditionally on rice with a runny egg, but it works as beans on toast too. Good Asian markets carry it in their freezers, imported directly from Japan (buy the versions with soy sauce / mustard). I had it regularly while I was over there, and there’s no difference in taste or effect (comparable to a small dose of aspirin). To the best of my knowledge, deep freezing isn’t an issue with the ingredients.

Given other people around me talking about treating their long covid with nicotine since it went through social media last year, I suppose you don't know about / didn't try the Natto (nattokinase) [1] / NAC route [2] (for which there were early studies showing they can dissolve the SARS-Cov2 spike protein)..? Or does the community consider that a dead end by now?

That there is a political echo chamber-driven division between those routes is a bit strange and dangerous, isn't it. With nicotine you will need to be careful about its effects on blood pressure, and it would be better to not even think about vaping (some of the flavoured products could be equally/more addictive to/than cigarettes [3]).

[1] https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9458005/

[2] https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9663386/

[3] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31536738/

If anybody with an open mind reads this: plasmid DNA contamination / insertional mutagenesis (use a source that hasn't been altered by the pharma industry for cover up)

Given previous experience with people who years into this still want to be served everything on a silver plate, entering any discussion with you will be futile. You responded solely for the dompamin your brain gives you when you trample onto people that an "authority" presented you as outsiders to your tribe. No factual argument will convince you.

Even with all the easily verifiable information in this thread alone you did not make the effort to check for yourself, and are so convinced of your position that you aren't even embarrassed about demonstrating your ignorance.

It is incredibly easy to find by now. In mid 2021 you had to search, think about and analyze the excess mortality stats yourself to see the obvious signal, now it's being discussed widely. But you will never start this journey on your own out of fear your will be expelled from your perceived tribe.

Is there any official data of this kind you would trust right now?

To be fair, I have seen enough by now; the main open question for me is what role endemic covid in all those believing the cure-all narrative and going out partying before milder variants came out played.

People were fired for not taking a novel pharmaceutical product, warp-speeded by Donald Trump and sold as a cure-all. They lost their livelihood over exercising a fundamental human right.

In places like Canada they could not use public transport or leave the country. In some countries they could not enter supermarkets. Austria decided to fine them steeply and monthly. In the US 60% of one political side agreed with throwing them into camps and discussed it openly.

Across all media and in society they were labeled and treated as pariahs.

Meanwhile they observed obvious carnage in their friends and family and could only watch.

What did you do at the end of 2021 while all of this happened?

By now I have seen enough actual data - and on top of that a lot of sad „anecdata“ in my direct surroundings - to pay attention at least. Given its prevalence I am sure you have seen the anecdata as well. Have you called someone who claimed to have a vax damage or who told you a relative died from the vax a „conspiracy theorist“ yet?

One good alternative point to start your journey in 2024 could be the US civilian labor force disability data. And no, I won’t waste time to search for that for you, given that you began your „response“ by attaching a label because it soothes you mentally. It has all been out there for long time and has been linked countless times.

The little section you got from google translating is a government-approved interpretation of this data. I have seen several others. You can download the data and fact-check for yourself.

How are they doing their definitions now? Could not find it.

Meanwhile this new Dutch data looks quite interesting, maybe someone here would like to give it a shot:

https://www.cbs.nl/nl-nl/longread/rapportages/2022/sterfte-e...

https://opendata.ecdc.europa.eu/covid19/

By now there is a hell lot of data pointing at issues with the novel pharmaceutical product. Meanwhile governments all over the world continue to be reluctant to issue data on e.g. „long covid“ or immune system problems in vaccinated vs. unvaccinated, although this data would settle the debate once and for all if its outcome is in favor of getting the shots.

„Fact checkers“ have been shown again and again to be politically biased up to active manipulation. Only people who always agree with the politics they want to push have not noticed at this point.

(The holy-vax crowd has discredited anything not approved by the marketing departments of the pharmaceutical industry from the beginning, so they won’t like this either.)

Maybe one of the downvoters would like to explain why he / she finds this question so emotionally triggering.

I find this incredibly interesting. Is this still the primary view?

The hippocampus is involved in formation of new memories. Without it this process is not working at all.

This is a public bridge 5 years in the making and who knows how long in planning, and people have been extremely lucky that it collapsed at 3am and not in the middle of the day. It doesn't matter at all how unlikely this is in a given time frame if the impact if it happens at any point in time is catastrophic.

> Pauling is seen as a quack when it comes to vitamin C

Pauling has been portrayed as a nobel-laureate-gone-quack / example of "Nobel disease" in pop science media many times. Often by gullible people who are not actually scientists but more science(tm) promoters like podcasters. They don't usually limit it to the Vitamin C advocacy, but seem to like telling a story of a highly intelligent person "gone quack".

> "Mega-dose vitamin C in treatment of the common cold: a randomised controlled trial"

I don't have access to this but will check later.

> Anderson TW et al, in "Vitamin C and the common cold: a double-blind trial",

I've seen this before and quickly checked again (don't remember everything). They describe and show in Tables II and III a 30% marked-as-significant reduction in confinement to house, so apparently the severity of relevant cold symptoms is indeed strongly decreased. They say themselves that Pauling based his claims on studies showing 45% and 60% respectively (which you have not linked to for some reason). Even 30% is still well over the significance-and-usefulness threshold in my eyes at least, particularly if it comes from a study quite open about intending to "debunk" the perceived quackery. I would figure that the real number is somewhere in-between the advocates and these "debunkers". (Btw, in the discussion they made a weird 70s-boomer claim that consuming four ounces of vegetable and fruit juice per day is sufficient to prevent Vitamin C deficiency, and that 30mg Vitamin C per day is the basic requirement. Also, that they could not (or did not try to) really eradicate the confound of other health measures like other supplements taken is one of the typical problems with nutritional studies.)

About the cancer claims (which I agree should be treated with utmost suspicion, just like any cancer treatment): While I don't have strong stakes in the game to either support or "debunk" it, less than 75 days does seem to be on the short side for a serious disease for me. I wonder how this compares to other cancer medication studies with more profit in the game.

> It's also well-known that the supplement industry makes billions of dollars, among other things, from actual homeopathy, and this money gives them lots of time to write those articles that benefit them.

The supplements industry spends much more of that time and money on fake reviews on Amazon and other social media marketing. Seems to be much more effective for their consumer base than a long-form wikipedia article. Since the profits of the pharmaceutical industry for newly developed patented products are much higher, I guess they have some more money on their hands to hire a few "scientists" to write convincing-sounding long-form articles for pay.

> It's quite well known that people in the pharmaceutical industry, and their friends and family, also get colds, cancer, and more. Do you really think they are hiding a cure from their co-workers, friends, and family?

People in the pharmaceutical industry's marketing departments are hired and paid for writing supportive articles. I bet they are also made believe that they are doing the right thing(tm).

I first noticed suspiciously professionally written "debunk" Wikipedia articles during the Séralini affair - whatever you want to think about it; the time frame in which highly polished professional articles popped up was remarkable. Even otherwise pro-industry centrist-conservative media here got suspicious and wrote about potentially industry-written wikipedia articles. If you need any further convincing who writes WP when money is in the game, check out the article about the "well-recognized musician" Justin Bieber.

I'm not sure why this overall topic triggers so much. A bit more on topic again: Science had very obvious issues with information overload for long time and unfortunately this allows bad players and COIs to exploit the system (recommended reading, also for OPs link: "Science Fictions" by Stuart Ritchie). These developments are out in the open for everyone who is willing to see them. Particularly in recent years. This needs fixing, seriously; and I hope you see it and agree with this, and think along for solutions (as the solution will most likely be technological).

(The "homeopathic dosage" wasn't meant literally.)

In fact nutrition and medical science are quite well known to be some of the worst offenders when it comes to bad methods and scientific misconduct, particularly in the past few decades (as also shown by OPs link).

Also - like apparently many of those perpetuating the story - I got my initial opinion about the Vitamin C topic being quackery from Wikipedia, but know better now not to generally trust it for medical topics since it’s quite well known that marketing departments of the pharmaceutical industry have a lot of time on their hands to write articles that benefit them. I personally burned myself with a safe&effective&local medical product promoted there with scientifically sounding terms with all criticism erased or “debunked” around 2014 and have permanent eye damage now (there has been a class action lawsuit few years later).

But to add to the nobel-laureate-turned-venturous trope, here is a recent example from physics: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Josephson

I would say these people generally like to follow wherever curiosity leads them, without giving much thought about peer opinion, which is why they are the ones winning prizes for revolutionizing discoveries. They are freer to do so once the price is in and this may lead them any direction.

The prominent modes and paths of this 2D probability distribution also show some resemblance to the kabbalistic tree of life, which is its own, but fairly related topic of study. DMT use within a connected strand of this "inner science" has been suspected.

Drawing more of these far-fetching connections: The complex plane is related to several areas of physics, which might somehow find expression in electromagnetic brain dynamics.

In any case, the buddhabrot distribution seems quite understudied both from a scientific / mathematical PoV, and from the perspectives of the occluded study of the "inner realms".