BorgCfg had exactly the same situation.

mpvl (borgcfg original author, author of https://cuelang.org/) and others had tried to refine bcl while bcl itself is underspecified.

Eventually, the team built a drop-in replacement of bcl and specced out the language almost entirely.

The biggest lesson to me was that engineering never has any short cut.

1. A whole with disparate parts (smart and dumb components) are almost always more cost-effective to reach a given target of performance 2. With that, a whole with disparate parts, are almost always more performant with the same cost

A few inspiration:

1. Human body is intelligent composed of so diverse parts 2. Swarm intelligence of insects and small animals are certainly beyond current understanding

The cost and speed of this thing is on point to make such a whole composed diverse parts possible.

Pretty much all morn software tooling, removing the parts that aim at appeal to humans, becomes much more reliable tools. But it's not clear if the performance will be better or not.

The content is a bit lacking though, would see more diversity in tech tree, and units.

I still felt this baseless.

Manus at the time is break through result. Are they egregious in advertising they being deepseek moment? I don't know think so. Is it a marketing ploy? Yes, but it's far less egregious than any normal AI startup, like cluely.

Comparing to deepseek or qwen, heavy lifting what? Manus is built on Claude at the time it's doing egregious marketing, how can it be considered heavy lifted by unrelated products. What's the point you want to make?

Why suddenly it becomes automatically accepted, other than being a Chinese founded startup, tell me, what else can prompts such mental inconsistency?

Riding a wave of industry is literally the foundation of startups paradiam itself. Why it suddenly became a sin for a Chinese founded startup?

This is exactly the disgusting bias (even to the point of racism) I mostly pointed out.

It's like everyone automatically applied double standards to Chinese founded startup and not even admit that under such influence.

I tried openmanus and I frowned at openmanus team's intentionally attention grabbing gimmick after manus' overnight success, and open manus does not work at the moment.

This statement is completely baseless

1. Manus was never targeting Chinese domestic market, for obvious reasons

2. Manus was founded by successful founder with exit, backed toptier investors in China, they always have great reputation in the AI industry

3. Prior to manus' launch, the team developed Monica, as they are the frontier AI chat bot aggregator

I really felt disgusted by stereotyping Chinese startup: they either baselessly downplay the innovation by the team, or they attribute their success to morally inferior conduct, which both are never really different than their western counterparts.

Please stop stereotyping Chinese startup

Hahah... You never offended a bartender for sure.

What are depths you look?

Are you not familiar with China's relentless obsession with education and excellence? The cutthroat competition in business, the insane persistence in long-term planning and execution, the vast land of rich treasure underground, the emoumous long history of singular view of history and ancestry?

All these are traits of greatness.

And they have the brutal struggle from external invasion and internal turmoil since 1800s, those hard time breed generations of strong man, men who not only endure physical hardership, intellectual struggles, and spiritual torment, they embrace it, treat them as enjoyable and rewarding. They not only are instant in action, they are also ruthless in reflection. They dire to challenge the strongest coalition of power when they were just gained independence, they are also totally ok to subdue to the same super power when they decide so, without much of a mental conflicting, while still maintaining a unwavering commitment to greatness beyond anyone else's imagination.

China is bound to be the overlord of the nations on earth. That or it vanquish itself in its pursuit of that destiny.

What else do you need to know?

Who knows if there is such thing?

It's very true that any vibe code is immediately legacy after they are generated. In other words, they are incarnations of foreign minds, things from a realm that is shuttered from my access, and they are giant pile of code that is beyond immediate recognition to any human engineers.