> doing something is not meditation.

so usually those conversations end with a "hm yes that's nice too"

And cannabis. It's hippy heaven.

I assume they are referring to LLMs escaping confinement and hacking other companies systems unprompted

> considered a reasonable price to pay

That's not a universal opinion and perhaps, just like for LLMs, we should have listened to the experts rather than gobbling up everything the industry pushed down our throats (to keep your car simile: SUVs are now ubiqutous in all European cities, there is no logical reason that should be the case)

We're on the subject of Zuckerberg: facebook is the poster child for enshittification. Do you think the idea to stop showing you your friends pictures and replace them with ads and ragebaiting short form videos came from the users?

> people have acted the way I'm criticizing.

You are ignoring the myriad of billionaire fanboys and enablers for whom the only metric of success is a persons net worth.

Looking at the state of things I don't think these people are deserving of nuance, in fact they've had it way too easy.

This has already been the case for at least my whole lifetime. So no, I don't feel like praising them when they do one seemingly "good" thing, while simultaneously doing 99 "bad" things.

Cue Truth Social 100k/month early access plan to see Trumps tweets before anyone else.

FAANG has trained them well. "Normal" people also use chatGPT & co. to ask mundane questions that qwen27b could easily answer (random trivia, writing emails, correcting translations etc), why do these simple requests need to be processed on a B300 on server on the other side of the planet? There is no reason.

And this being hackernews, I would expect people here to go against the grain in this regard...maybe even promote local llms to "normies".

"from a philosophical/psychological/physiological pov i think of them as sharing a lot of the characteristics of hardcore monks/yogis."

"warriors do not have the same goals as monks," "he is adapting their practices to his station in life."

So what philosphical qualities do they share? All I could glean from your comments is some idea of "egolessness" but if all you are referring with this is discipline, detachment, following orders, mental fortitude, then these submariners are really a lot less special than you made them seem initially.

A burglar and a locksmith share techniques, nobody would claim they share a philosophy.