You can easy deploy Zitadel to Hetzner though ;-)

The matter is definitely more complex than yes and no... my general stand has been that jurisdiction matters a lot when you store and process data from customers, like many cloud services do. iIt matters less if you can take a software and self-host it.

Zitadel started in Switzerland under the name CAOS AG and has still a lot of its operations in Europe. For our US go to market strategy we incorporated Zitadel Inc. which operates out of SF where I also tend to be.

Happy to share more if interested

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My take is that Dual Licensing is the better approach here. I.e. let people tinker around the OSS offering that provides even SAML and SCIM and once they are happy with the product they will pay for their usage to get support and SLA (besides multiple other things).

Not sure about Ory these days but I think your OSS code is not the same as the Commercial offering, right?

We agree—Zitadel is a strong platform. Our main challenge as an infrastructure product is balancing flexibility with ease of use. While we offer a lot of adaptability for different use cases, getting started can be daunting. We're actively working to make our onboarding process smoother so users can get up and running more quickly. For example we just started working on a lot of improvements on our SDKs as well as a template login app in nextjs that people can fork.

Some prefer self-hosting, while others opt for SaaS—it really depends on their specific needs. If you require data residency and complete control, self-hosting is the way to go. On the other hand, if you want a hands-off operational experience, SaaS makes more sense.

From our experience at Zitadel, we’ve found that mid-market and enterprise customers often also look for industry standards like SAML and OpenID Connect to integrate their services, so we’ve made those a core part of our offering—including providing fully compliant SAML and OpenID Connect endpoints. It looks like Tesseral is taking a more focused approach with SDK and API integrations for web apps, which makes a lot of sense for many teams starting out.

We also believe that, over time, the distinction between B2C and B2B use cases will blur, and both will be consolidated into a potent, unified identity infrastructure platform. That’s the direction we’re building toward with Zitadel.

Wishing you all the best as Tesseral grows. If you ever want to swap stories about auth, don't hesitate to reach out!

But I have not checked their docs, so I could be wrong.

Zitadel excels in multi-tenancy cases and is easy to self-host

Best of luck with it!

(Disclosure: I'm a co-founder of Zitadel, also building solutions in this space.)

Customer facing it looks like a combination of nextauth and auth0 (at least on my end)

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Have you ever thought that sending your users access and audit events to a data graveyard (aka log storage) is a bad idea? I certainly have! What if you could aggregate the audit and access events to your users data? This would make it far easier to understand and aggregate what your users are doing, leading to better insights and actions.

We at Zitadel recently raised $9M (1) to further this vision—an identity system that not only stores users and provides authentication but also helps you understand your users and their risk better. Imagine extending auth SDKs to not only check authentications/sessions/tokens but also to send events of what users do. With this well-structured data, it becomes easy to create forensic reports, usage reporting, and even threat intelligence.

While we're just getting started on building the security analytics capabilities, Zitadel already solves a lot of the plumbing work around authentication, authorization, and single sign-on, even in multi-tenant scenarios with full support for self-hosting—all in a nice open source package (2).

How does that sound to you? Let me know your thoughts; happy to discuss here, Florian

1) https://zitadel.com/blog/zitadel-the-future-of-identity-infrastructure

2) https://github.com/zitadel/zitadel

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