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I also think it’s that people don’t know how to use the tool very well. In my experience I don’t guide it to do any kind of software pattern or ideology. I think that just confuses the tool. I give it very little detail and have it do tasks that are evident from the code base.

Sometimes I ask it to do rather large tasks and occasionally the output is like 80% of the way there and I can fix it up until it’s useful.

I think hacker news manages to be ok since it doesn’t rely on advertising which makes it much more palatable.

Unfortunately part of being an adult is realizing there are no bullies. There are adults with power and some people who wield unfairly, but that’s different from a mean schoolchild, although the similarities are there. I don’t think the people who work on browser standards are bullies and it’s weird to frame them in that way.

> Where's the equality in that?

I guess why do you think there should be equality between users and the people that work on browser standards? It’s a committee not a direct democracy. Although they do take user feedback seriously, they surely can’t only do what every vocal minorities wants right?

> Again, why isn't anyone calling for them to be more calm and respectful of the people they're hurting?

They’re not be disrespectful by moderating the thread. They’re simply trying to do their jobs without being insulted constantly. It’s a bit different. They are actively responding respectfully to the feedback, I don’t think they’re hurting people.

> But given that they know these proposals would be contentious, why didn't they approach this in a more respectful and collaborative manner?

How could it be more collaborative? It’s already a request for feedback on an open forum. The comments aren’t even deleted just hidden because they’re duplicates. I’m curious what could be more collaborative?

If I was doing something like shitting on the brand and advertising my competition product with the platform then I would not be totally surprised. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

> Or are you of the opinion that it's not a possibility because you follow all of their ToS to the letter at all times?

Yes. Platforms literally have the right to ban you for any reason without giving an explanation. If you don’t like that then you should lobby the government. I do think it would be better for society if there were certain laws platforms had to follow! But do I trust the government to get those laws right? Not yet. Maybe in 10 years.

>Do you admit that you'll never provide any objective feedback about these companies since that may (or even should?) violate their ToS in your opinion?

WTF ? You can definitely provide objective feedback to LinkedIn in the form of like feature requests lmao. But when you insult their product and then sell your own product that’s not objective feedback. You’re obviously self invested. Your goal isn’t to improve LinkedIn, it’s to sell your own product.

Which is ok! LinkedIn is a platform with many issues that there absolutely should be startups that try to fix them. But don’t pretend it’s like a massive tragic conspiracy when your account gets banned. You were simply poking a bear and the bear swiped at you.

> Why are you disparaging the author of the essay? What if she's your colleague, too?

I am being critical - I don’t think it’s the same as calling people who work at a company stupid or malicious. I never claim the author is stupid, just blind sided by their own hubris maybe. I believe they’re very smart and I’m sure they’re good at their job.

> How can you be sure that the person who's been deplatformed is not a colleague of yours, too?

I’m not sure of that. I tried to be fair in my critique. Maybe I got a bit spicy but it’s the internet.

> Why is it okay to disparage private individuals in private capacities (and to deny them their livelihood in these cases of LinkedIn and GitHub bans), but not okay to provide less than ideal feedback about monopolistic multibillion-dollar companies?

It’s ok to provide feedback of platforms. Just if you do it and you get banned don’t be surprised. Getting banned from a platform doesn’t meant you did something that “wasn’t ok.” It just means the platform decided to do it. Providing critical feedback of a platform while promoting your own competing product is not surprising to get a ban.

I think this is especially true on GitHub where people are using their real professional identities. I’m honestly shocked that anyone can just comment on these proposals given how toxic it gets. Imagine if this is your day to day work environment - you’re trying to improve the web, which is already a tremendously difficult thing while all of these keyboard warriors are insulting you and your efforts. I wouldn’t want to wish that on anyone.

The author seems like they’re repeatedly dunking on LinkedIn for their own vested self interest of promoting their product, and as a result, someone revoked their account. It seems like a pretty obvious TOS violation to shit on the brand of the company’s platform you’re using and although the author couldn’t find a term of service that they’re violating, I’m sure there’s something in there. It’s not a grand mystery - someone at LinkedIn noticed their posting and thought it was wrong for someone to use their platform to shit on the LinkedIn brand.

Golden rule of using a platform - you don’t own what is in there. If you ever threaten the platform even in the slightest way, then they will remove you without a second thought. Again maybe this is unfair but it’s not like this persons rights are being violated.

Finally the way it’s written seems to assume malicious / stupid intent constantly. To me, the people making these systems are potentially colleagues of mine and I do not want to disparage them unless I am totally sure they are doing something reprehensible. It’s disrespectful to smear a whole system just because you don’t like an individual moderation action.

I think this kind of blog post should be illegal - there needs to be a disclosure at the beginning, ie, this is informative but it’s also an advertisement. Then I would know to not read any further.

I-frames are actually pretty useful tools. They’re the only way to allow HTML content from another site to exist on your site without trusting or sanitizing it. They actually work pretty well for dashboards.

They come with some serious drawbacks, most notably, not being able to edit the content of the iframe.

I generally prefer using an API or a npm module so I can customize the content of the iframe.

I legitimately think that social media should be wiped from existence. Of course there could still be group chats, forums, blogs but we need to move away from having everyone’s relationships and desire for community be so easily capable of being exploited for ad revenue.

Think of banning all tobacco besides pipes, hand rolled ones and cigars. Yes, you’d still have people smoking but you’d have much less of it. Similarly, there’s no need for instagram, Facebook, TikTok or twitter to exist.

Perhaps any law that bans social media also makes hacker news and Reddit illegal! I would be alright with this personally. Hackernews could be replaced with a newsletter and Reddit would be better off if it were federated.

There are enough web frameworks. If you make a blog post where you state what limits you have with the current state of web technology, and you describe it really well, I’m sure someone will be able to point out how there is a web framework that deals with that. Or a way to implement that in current web frameworks.

One case they failed to address is that when you use CSS text truncation generally you need a tooltip to view the entirety of the text.

I would have appreciate a bit more depth or experience, something that’s not just explaining what useful CSS rules are.

Also checked my code and looked at exactly what LLMs were receiving and there was one small issue - the json schema vote order always had the player first. I will fix that problem, but the game was still fiendishly difficult.

Of course the game is open source so you’re more than welcome to check my work if you’re skeptical!

Thanks for pointing that out, it’s really helpful to get some feedback.

Also the core philosophy of prettier is to basically ignore people’s aesthetic preferences about code. Which causes lots of flame wars in the issues.

They really do fix crashes if you submit PRs though. Do you not like contributing to open source but still feel empowered to complain about it? Opening a ticket with a good reproduction case is also contributing but sometimes it’s necessary to put a bit more effort into tools.

Comments URL: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43909191

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