Destroying the military infrastructure of Hamas is obviously not genocide, that is something one would expect to happen during a war.

I could list organizations with the opposite view as well, but I don't really consider arguments from authority to be all that strong.

> the international association of genocide scholars

They have certainly had some interesting members[0].

> China

Because they would be the ones to know?[1]

> all... got it wrong?

Obviously.

> Why should I believe a random HN comment warrior over literally hundreds of organizations and governments whose jobs include identifying genocide when it happens?

Facts actually do matter and when you look into the details it's clear that the claims of genocide are simply not backed up by the evidence.

> What makes your case so compelling it stands up against all that and what my own eyes see?

My case is simply that the evidence is insufficient to support the claim.

[0] https://web.archive.org/web/20250903112024/https://genocides...

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Uyghurs_in_Chin...

Do you attribute Palestinian support for extremism to a similar root cause? Opinion polling indicates the extremism problem is far worse on the Palestinian side, Israeli extremism trends tend to be fairly reactionary to Palestinian extremism(i.e. Second Intifada) historically.

> What I'm advocating for in practice is quite clear in my original post, but I'll state it again: we need to denounce artificial states, neocolonialism, ethnostates, and apartheid. Much in the same way that we denounce war crimes, sex trafficking, and slavery.

So you're just advocating just for more virtue signalling instead of actual concrete actions? I don't see how that would meaningfully change the situation on the ground as I don't see how denouncing the right for Israel to exist is going to do anything except push Israel towards a more extreme position.

> But in a way, yes, during Reconstruction a more heavy-handed approach should have been used to eliminate with great fury and prejudice the cultural desire for an apartheid state in the South, and maybe prevented or softened 150 years of suffering for black people and their descendants.

Are you suggesting Israel also take a more heavy handed approach when it comes to eliminating the widespread practice of teaching of hate and antisemitism[0] to Palestinians?

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Textbooks_in_the_Israeli%E2%80...

Anyone claiming Israel is committing genocide is quite obviously conflating the two.

The election that brought Hamas to power in Gaza was widely considered to be free and fair.[0]

> Also, the elections that were won by Hamas candidates before that were before most currently living Gazans were born, much less eligible to vote, and subsequent elections have not been held because Israel blocked the all-Palestine elections agreed to by Hamas and Fatah, so even if the “government of Palestinians in Gaza” were simply a direct result of those elections, which it is not, it would hardly be the “democratically elected” by those currently governed.

And yet polling indicates if another vote was held Hamas would likely still win, in both Gaza and the West Bank, so it's essentially a moot point. It's not just Israel that has blocked elections, Fatah has also not wanted elections because they know they would lose. The problem is that Palestinians have in reality largely supported extremists far more than moderates, that may change but reducing Palestinian support for extremism is ultimately what needs to change for there to be a chance at having some long term peace agreement.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Palestinian_legislative_e...

People also need to stop conflating a war with genocide.

The democratically elected government of the Palestinians in Gaza(Hamas) has for a long time quite openly advocated for effectively genocide Jews/Israeli's, it's not racist to simply believe that Hamas is telling the truth in regards to what their end goals are.

From my understanding Ben Gvir(who has very little overall support in Israel from the population at large) getting elected is more of a consequence of Israel having nationwide proportional representation which allows extremists to get elected.

Ben Gvir then managed to become a minister due to Netanyahu having insufficient support from moderates to form a coalition without having to work with extremists like Ben Gvir.

> I think it's upon us - all of humanity - to denounce artificial states, neocolonialism, ethnostates, and apartheid.

So most states in the middle east should be dissolved? It's not clear what you're actually advocating for in practice.

> They are founded on principles that are misanthropic, asocial, and unhumanitarian. They have always led to an immense amount of suffering.

So we should dissolve most states including the United States due to flawed founding principals?

[0] https://github.com/jameshilliard/q1000k-hsgmii-pad

What about using Gmail's own internal SMTP servers(i.e. smtp.gmail.com) to send emails from external, third-party addresses?

What is happening is a war, there is no systematic destruction of the Palestinian people in the Gaza Strip, there is an ongoing war against a terrorist group that has so far refused to disarm which deliberately uses its own civilian population as human shields.

> blockading

This is an act of war.

> destroying civilian infrastructure, destroying healthcare facilities

When civilian infrastructure is used for military purposes it can be targeted in a war per international law.

> causing mass forced displacement

Evacuating civilians from areas of high intensity combat is a good thing because it drastically reduces civilian casualties.

> United Nations special committee and commission of inquiry

The UN has long ago completely thrown away their credibility when it comes to anything related to Israel/Palestine.[0]

> International Association of Genocide Scholars

They have had some interesting members.[1]

> The Gaza genocide has not been recognised by Jameshilliard.

There obviously is no Gaza genocide, there is a war in Gaza however.

> at least 75,811 people have been reported killed

How many of those are combatants and how many were civilians?

> including 270 journalists and media workers, 120 academics, and over 560 humanitarian aid workers, including 391 employees of UNRWA.

How many of those were also employed by and/or worked with Hamas or other terrorist organizations? Part of the problem is that it's virtually impossible for these sort of workers to operate in Gaza without consent/coordination with groups like Hamas to various degrees.

Employees of UNRWA were directly involved in the Oct 7th attacks.[2] UNRWA is well known to have allowed Hamas and other terrorist groups to have positions at UNRWA schools.[3]

Journalists in Gaza have even held hostages.[4]

[0] https://unwatch.org/2025-unga-resolutions-on-israel-vs-rest-...

[1] https://web.archive.org/web/20250903112024/https://genocides...

[2] https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/08/1152841

[3] https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/08/world/middleeast/hamas-un...

[4] https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/12/world/middleeast/israel-h...

It's 17[0] so far since the start of the war.

[0] https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/u-s-strikes-iran-over-tro...

The threats in the middle east against international shipping and regional energy infrastructure seem to have a similar threat profile to data centers and commercial warehouses. There are lots of large high value targets in the region that are hard to defend reliably against missiles/drone attacks.

One of the big problems in dealing with those threats is that terrorist groups like the IRGC or Hamas can be very hard to deter in general.

> I bet that the protester action has been another startle more in a complicated week.

These sort of common and usually ineffective detached from reality protests are nothing all that new and are quite different from real military threats to infrastructure.

> A lot of sellers in UAE and Russia lost a lot of money this year.

Were UAE distribution warehouses hit as well or just data centers?

Amazon data centers were already being attacked by terrorist groups(i.e. the IRGC) before the Wildberries strikes.[0]

[0] https://apnews.com/article/amazon-aws-data-center-uae-iran-b...

I have a gas fired hydronic heating system but I still need AC for cooling(mixture of traditional and mini-split style units due to retrofitting requirements).

I'm also located in a high altitude location but for AC alternatives here we would typically see something like a swamp cooler.

Less people alive being good for the environment is maybe their logic?

So it's actually a hydronic heating/cooling system? I don't think those systems are typically referred to as heat pumps generally.

Ductless mini split style heat pumps are a common retrofit option for older buildings without vents aren't they?

> I didn't read the article - tired of all the American articles in the press promoting ac for some reason.

When a heat pump is used for cooling it's effectively the same as an AC. The main difference AFAIU is that a heat pump can reverse for heating as well. I think when Americans promote AC they probably consider a heat pump to be just another AC variant.

[0] https://www.justice.gov/epstein/search