I wonder whether these bickering users (of AI various products) with math degrees are missing the forest for the trees.

After reviewing it - idk? It's too complex for me to understand .. in my naivety!

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49552588 (from elsewhere in this discussion).

It's an obtuse-feeling abstraction.

> ".. or whatever they want to call this fake purchasing shit that all software has .."

Yep - I agree with the sentiment.

Reality is, we have a set of systems in society capable of over-complicating (from a HUMAN sense) life, which reasonably can be seen to make life unpleasant for the less-enfranchised populations - those without a personal lawyer to review every action they take in life...e.g you and me.

A bit of pedantry:

> Sony is the one with the different definition

Yes, agreed.

And to build on that, Sony is using a normal legal vehicle, a contract to make that different definition. And customers of Sony are entering into contract .. which is very normal thing for customers to do when engaging in business relationships with businesses.

> "That is the expectation one has, not whatever a giant multinational decides it is"

Yep.

To reinforce my yep, (tiredly - sorry but I am) - The yoke of bureaucracy and this complex economy we live in also rests upon us, the citizens. It is a burden - and an increasing risk as AI is unleashed into more and more of our systems, digital AND legal / policy / social. (AI has "infinite" memory so it can use circumlocution, taking advantage of overly complex and distracting

Looping back:

I could have said "it suuuuucks, f' the man, man!" as I do hold that view. However we are here, with legal contracts capable of imposing these broad and uncomfortable relationship constraints (eg between customer & business).

SO the question, in my mind, is HOW are we going to understand WHAT we want society to look like, as presently and into the future an INHUMANLY complex set of rules is capable of limiting our expressive existence, leading reasonably to general dissatisfaction in life?

We don't have that, here. We have "Freedom" .. which I am suspecting is redefined to mean "kakistocracy".

For part of the above sentence ... "it" is existent, not nonexistent.

And about the ".. I have .." part of the comment you wrote, @kstrauser, by using their service a person must agree to their contract.

So, if you, per-se, don't use their service, then you haven't entered into the (existent) contract with Sony!

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- Quality With A "K" !

Is AI able to easily catch these kinds of errors with a carefully crafted addendum to the prompt?

Full:

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Does some things better

Rhetoric of AGI being tossed around, redefining the term

Would cancerbench be unethical?

Seriously though the linear planetary naming is pleasant. I do hope the double meaning of "weapon", as you point out, is untrue.

Interestingly, Bruce Schnier just gave a fascinating talk about the Weapon aspect of AI, at DEFCON: https://youtu.be/eEBv0STiYhI very much worth watching

But since this other guy at Open AI said it, it must be the truth. This guy, for CEO, of open AI.