And who and from where might folks "import" such votes? I don't understand what that means. Please do elucidate.

I think that no one should be persecuted[0]. Persecution is unfair harassment/injury/punishment. Perhaps you meant prosecuted[1] instead?

[0] from https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/persecute

Persecute: transitive verb

1 : to harass or punish in a manner designed to injure, grieve, or afflict specifically : to cause to suffer because of belief

2 : to annoy with persistent or urgent approaches (such as attacks, pleas, or importunities) : pester

[1] from https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/prosecute

Prosecute: transitive verb

3 : to bring legal action against for redress or punishment of a crime or violation of law b : to institute legal proceedings with reference to prosecute a claim

My point was that we don't know what the long-term effects of vaping are. Because there hasn't been time for the longitudinal studies that will tell us what those effects are.

I requested studies refuting those claims because I know they don't exist. I also know that studies confirming such claims don't exist either.

Making the statement that "...vaping is still unhealthy but less than smoking plant matters" is disingenuous because we have no idea what long-term (note that qualification) effects vaping does or does not have.

It might be that vaping increases human lifespan by 80%. Or it might be that vaping decreases lifespan by 25%. Or it might be that vaping either causes or prevents dementia. We just don't know. It may be that none of those things apply. Who knows? Not me. And not you or anyone else. Yet.

Because vaping hasn't been widely used for long enough to make claims about its long-term effects.

My claims are just as valid as yours ("...vaping is still unhealthy but less than smoking plant matters").

That was my point. My apologies for expecting you to make the conceptual leap and understand the above by making similarly unsupported claims as the one you made. I guess that wasn't the best way to do so. I'll try to do better in the future.

I hope I've cleared up your confusion.

Propylene glycol covers the alvoelae and over time (~15-20 years) blocks uptake of oxygen, causing respiratory failure and a slow, painful death.

Vegetable glycerine coats the lungs and over time (~10-25 years) blocks fluid from draining out of the lungs, causing congestive heart failure/pulmonary edema. Which ends up causing one to drown in their own bodily fluids and a slow, painful death.

If you disagree, please cite any long term studies that disprove the above. Thanks!

It's possible that's the case because (at least in the US) 68% of GDP is consumer spending[0]. As such, 2/3 of the economy is "them."

[0] https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/DPCERE1Q156NBEA/

A Pap smear[0] is a diagnostic test to detect (pre)cancerous cells on one's cervix[1].

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pap_test

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cervix

Yep. Hospital "bills" are a fiction. On one occasion I was presented with an "Explanation of Benefits" for a hospital stay where I was "charged" for being in two hospital rooms at the same time. As if that weren't enough I was also "charged" with having a "Pap smear"[0], even though I don't have a cervix.

I complained bitterly and after making a big stink was informed by the hospital my insurer that the items weren't actually "billed". Rather, the insurance company paid $1500/day regardless of the treatment provided.

It's disgusting!

Is that some sort of in joke? Meta loves more surveillance, more data and more info about their vassals^W users.

I'm sure their lobbyists were pushing hard to get this law passed.

Let's try that in Texas, Georgia, Oklahoma or one of the 17 other states with a $7.25 minimum wage and see how we do?

I'd love to know where I can find a "good restaurant cooked meal" for US$3.63[0].

Would you share even one location where that's possible? I'd eat every single meal there myself!

[0] https://www.dol.gov/general/topic/wages/minimumwage

The evangelical Christians who are among the largest of the Republican Party's voting blocs believe that the biblical "end times" are nigh, but Jesus Christ won't return to bring peace and prosperity until the middle east is destroyed by war[0][2][3] (often called armageddon[1]).

And, as Peter Medawar (quite correctly) observed[4] some years ago:

   The USA is so enormous, and so numerous are its schools, colleges and 
   religious seminaries, many devoted to special religious beliefs ranging from 
   the unorthodox to the dotty, that we can hardly wonder at its yielding a more 
   bounteous harvest of gobbledygook than the rest of the world put together.

[0] https://www.tomorrowsworld.org/booklets/the-middle-east-in-p...

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armageddon

[2] https://harvest.org/resources/gregs-blog/post/israel-iran-bi...

[3] https://theconversation.com/as-iran-war-expands-some-conserv...

[4] https://www.azquotes.com/quote/1064507

I guess you had to be there. I certainly saw it coming.

>Expert systems worked on quite different principles.

Actually, not so much. The inference engine has changed, but otherwise it's same shit, different day.

The current state of things is closer (not close to by a long shot) to Fred Pohl's "AI" programs from his novel Gateway[0] than it is to the above examples.

But even those are decades (at least) beyond what we have now. What we have now is the foreseeable (from at least 30 or 40 years ago) evolution of what was once called "expert systems."[1]

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gateway_(novel)

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expert_system

When the belief is that of "creationism"[0], it's not so far to go to reject evidence of, well, anything that runs counter to the narrative espoused by a variety of those belief systems. Including the fact of evolution.

I'd point out that those who subscribe to such belief systems are a large fraction of the human population, the largest contingent of which are not resident in the United States, nor are they Americans.

And perhaps those who create such titles are cynically exploiting the gullible. Then again, I'd posit that Hanlon's Razor[1] be assessed in this case. Such an assessment might well uncover cynicism/evil, but probably not -- as those involved may well subscribe to the belief systems referenced above and/or are ignorant/dumb.

All that said, such an idea isn't new. Here's an analog[0] from more than 400 years ago (circa 1600AD):

   What a piece of work is a man, How noble in reason, how infinite in faculty, 
   In form and moving how express and admirable, In action how like an Angel, In 
   apprehension how like a god, The beauty of the world, The paragon of animals
   

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor

Thanks for the suggestions. It seems odd that I (presumably via GeoIP location) was continually resolving archive.today sites to non-functional IP addresses, especially since I live in a very densely populated region.

Then again, I'd expect that other than Bender[0] and myself, not very many folks run their own recursive resolvers.

Again, thanks for the suggestions. Although some wild speculation/rumors could have been fun ("archive.today admins abducted by aliens!" or "Malware plot by beer-making Belgian monks takes down parts of archive.today infrastructure." or "Zip bombs make archive.today unresponsive!", etc.)

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49042612

DNS resolution is not the issue. Like you, I use my own recursive resolver and the various archive.[today|il|is|ph|etc] sites all resolve without issue, but weirdly MXToolbox[0] resolves those hosts to a different IP address.

I suppose my ISP could be intercepting my recursive queries, but that seems unlikely as I've never detected a dns proxy before.

I'll do some more investigating and, if it is my ISP, I've been looking for a reason to dump them anyway.

[0] https://mxtoolbox.com/DNSLookup.aspx

I've searched around a bit but haven't seen any reporting as to what's up with the site(s).

Does anyone have any information about this? Speculation? Wild rumors?

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[0] https://www.science.org/content/article/astronomers-spot-fir...

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