There are many instances (where I am from, at least - and I believe in the USA), where 'accidents' happen and individuals are found not guilty. As long as you can prove that it wasn't due to negligence. Could "don't be an asshole" as instructions be enough in some arenas to prove they aren't negligent? I believe so.

We've been on self service and we've been on enterprise contracts. In the last 2 years I believe we've cycled through about seven account managers. Heroku as a concept might not be dead, but if you release an incredibly empty announcement saying there's no new enterprise contracts and existing ones may be renewed, enterprise Heroku is absolutely dead and I'd suggest it means Heroku as the current product is dead too.

Any Heroku user that has been at the level of an enterprise user before, or who currently is, would be ringing alarm bells at the current situation. It doesn't matter about the internal good will of employees - if you have a blog post hanging your enterprise customers out to dry (ironically as enterprise customers we have received zero communication from Heroku about this) after a year of terrible stability - you're really doing a great job of killing the whole thing.

> Heroku remains an actively supported, production-ready platform, with an emphasis on maintaining quality and operational excellence

Anyone that has used Heroku for a while will know that it is far less reliable today than it has been at nearly any point in its history (it's the least reliable since its first year of existence, imo). There is very little "operational excellence" left as an organization. All you need to do is look at how they communicated (or extreme lack-thereof) a critical outage that lasted for hours last year[1]

As an organization, we've put up with terrible reliability over the last couple of years, and swallowed cost increases every renewal and we've always been committed. That's changed in the last few days - we've tried out Railway and Northflank, and we'll continue to try out a few other services until we find the one that fits. We're lucky, we have about 9 months left on our contract and that gives us enough time to move.

1: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44233923

What the user you're replying to is saying the Bun acquisition looks silly as a dev tool for Node. However if you look at their binding work for services like s3[0], the LLM will be able to interact directly with cloud services directly (lower latency, tighter integration, simplified deployment).

0: https://bun.com/docs/runtime/s3

Your local track days where you see the likes that you mentioned - you'll also likely get a few Porches etc too. But there's absolutely a culture of racing higher end cars, the GT3's, Ferraris (488 Pista, 360 Challenge Stradale, starting to see XX's around too), the Valkyrie and Valiant etc. There's also those that grab older Cup cars and track them to the track. There's absolutely a market for turn key, track focused, road legal Ferrari's.

The status page itself is either saying nothing is wrong, or points to an error page[0]. The incident itself[1] hasn't been updated, which is pretty frustrating.

We can't submit a support ticket because, well, it requires the authentication procedure as well.

We use worker queues, and the queues are getting blown out because heroku can't action anything. We're having our microservices yo-yo now, which suggests things are getting worse, now better.

I've always been a huge Heroku advocate, but the last 5 years have been death by a thousand cuts.

0: https://status.heroku.com/error 1: https://status.heroku.com/incidents/2822

That's the core difference.

My experiences differ depending on the above, I've mostly use Render or an alternative for side projects now (just due to cost/forgettability). As a daily user of Heroku professionally - it's clear Heroku isn't a priority for Salesforce. Heroku has struggled to maintain any form of product development and, if anything, has become more unreliable over the last year or two.

As an add-on developer, my communication with Heroku has been fantastic. You can assume so because it's a direct revenue stream and feature expander - but my experience with other platforms isn't (iOS has slow/poor communication and docs, Chrome's extension support is non-existent and often not backwards compatible etc.). It's kind of re-ignited my love affair with Heroku, like it was pre-salesforce.

Overall I can't see us moving from Heroku unless costs demand us to - it's just too 'easy' to stay. Vendor lock in is real and I'm okay admitting that.

0 - https://elements.heroku.com/addons/eppalock

I feel like if you have the power to censor leak things you’d be worth a huge sum of money.

The main thing to keep in mind is most equity usually ends up being unrealised or diluted.

It really depends on how much you value money in your hand now, vs waiting. If you have a cliff and vesting schedule, can you see yourself waiting? If it’s a year cliff and you struggle to enjoy staying at places, you’ll end up with no equity and $20k worse off.

Instead of saying $20k, you should have said a percentage so it’s easier to gauge. If you’re on $50k, a bump to $70 is huge. If you’re on $250k, just do what you’re asked and it’s realistic that you can get a payrise + $20k after 12 months if you have your head on correctly.

Too hard to know without more details.

We homeschool our kids and are generally quite the opposite (we’ve never been religious either). I wouldn’t say we are smarter than tertiary teachers in specific fields, but for the junior years it doesn’t really matter. Our kids are (electively) performing at higher grades than their age level requires, and we support that where they’re interested in it.

We do structured learning every day and also unstructured learning and just enjoying life. It’s a good balance that enables us to raise the happiest kids we can. My eldest has expressed an interest in going to school next year, we are fostering that interest and if he’s still keen next year we will enable that too.

People make blanket statements about homeschool, public school and private school. But after having kids one thing is certain: everyone’s experience is incredibly unique.

0: https://metro.co.uk/2018/11/09/can-your-boss-stop-you-talkin...

We used react a lot externally to the main product as early as 2014, but didn’t introduce it into the main product until we were comfortable.

Basically the high touch (from a developer point) areas of the app are always the most modern and the first place to get whatever treatment we transition to (React, typescript etc) and there’s some really untouched areas that might remain prehistoric for years, and that’s fine.

Its worked pretty well for us, and I can’t see why it wouldn’t continue that way.