No idea why you are escalating and are trying to mock either, so I'll bow out.

I do not know who "we" is but I sure as hell am not arguing this -- that's demonstrably false for like 95% of all tasks I threw even at frontier/SOTA models.

I am on the side of "not as easy as many easily-hyped-up people make it out to be". Some things Opus one-shots in 10 minutes much better than I could in a full day. Most of them though, I have to keep pointing out mistakes and it missing the forest for the trees... constantly.

> And also, not all of us have sold our soul to it

I can only roll my eyes here. How dramatic.

But yeah we don't disagree. I don't mind investing time and effort into becoming an informed consumer. But I just wish I did not have to.

But wishful thinking is nearly done wasting my years and money. If it has to be done then it does get done.

Thanks for the Reddit link. I'll absolutely use it.

And I disagree it's a minimal amount of research but maybe I'll come around. There are things that were trivial to research indeed, some -- very hard.

So yeah, I started resorting to asking acquaintances with big families and also LLMs to desperately try to separate the wheat from the chaff.

It's not impossible and it's indeed doable, just not very quick.

I am describing the reality we are currently in. If I don't do some harness engineering then my bots crap on the floor and I start questioning whether I should delegate to them at all and if me doing it manually wouldn't still take less time.

And you are describing a desired reality. I sympathize, mind you, it's just not the one we are currently living in.

That's the part that is not true. Prompting and guard-rails and generally harness engineering do matter a lot lately. Seen it first-hand multiple times, especially after I used Fable 5 for a week.

Still a win but not as big as many are selling it.

Unless of course you also have to explain your thinking and problem-solving process in meetings, which happens quite a lot the more senior you get.

But you are squinting really hard if you equate "programmers not being good lawyers" with "they obviously vibe-launched the product".

There are multiple ways to think about how to write software, and that number really is not as high as various language proponents want us to believe. They aim at 50-100 but I'd say we got maximum 20, if not 6-7.

Point being: stuff is starting to converge IMO. It's not endless exciting diversity. "How to write software" (and adjacently: what PL to use) is just a boring multi-dimensional math problem at its root.

Agents in this case are just accelerators.

I am rooting for Framework myself.

Check this out: https://www.theerlangelist.com/article/spawn_or_not

Written by one of the very best Elixir mentors. I believe it will dispel most (hopefully all) of your doubts and clear things up.

One thing that really helped me pick it up was saying YOLO and rewriting one part of the business stack from Ruby on Rails to Elixir. It taught me quickly and well.

The official guides are also great and IMO you can get through them all without a rush in two weekends. But again, if you don't want to then don't.

You can also try asking right here in this HN thread. Maybe I or others would be willing to give you a more detailed response.