This study [1] is what got me interested, they claim gray matter loss compares to control group even in asymptomatic cases but they excluded vaccinated people from what I can tell. I want to see this level of data for the groups I mention and then we have a really good insight. And this data should be possible to get.

Your links are articles referencing self-reports and doctors guesses...

[1] https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.06.11.21258690v...

?? This entire thread is me asking if there's some studies that compare long COVID sideffects with groups based on vaccination. Instead of linking these, since you're already certain (and I would very much be convinced if you can show me) you are saying "believe science" ? And I'm unscientific ?

By all means enlighten me and I'll edit my top post with links to stop spreading misinformation.

I have 0 problems with people at risk of serious COVID getting vaccinated, in fact I convinced my grandparents to do it. I don't really see what it buys me as a healthy 30 something year-old with no preexisting conditions, other than likely being a day out after the shot.

>We could have reached herd immunity with the vaccine by now, and variants would no longer be of concern.

How does that compute ? I thought nobody actually believed zero COVID is possible ?

By the same logic brain effects of long COVID on asymptotic cases is impossible aince these people don't even know they had the infection and shouldn't be studied either.

Saying that the immune system is well studied and we know what happens when we don't even know the mechanism behind the long COVID sideffects is again overreaching.

And I'm not saying my "amateur conjecture" is likely true, I'm saying given the surprising sideffects of COVID on asymptomatic cases it's not really unreasonable to check this kind of things - especially when you're vaccinating a huge % of population in one step (other required immunisations happen generationally)

I don't really mind social distancing measures untill people in the risk groups get vaccinated - all of my high risk contacts have been. So I don't get what we need to get out of, my government is already saying they will eliminate COVID measures after summer, UK style.

I'll get vaccinated at some point if I have to do it for travel or what not - right now I'm not convinced - the social arguments don't make much sense to me (variants will come up anyway, you can get infected and spread the virus even if vaccinated you're just reducing risk)

You are assuming because the mechanism is the same that the effects will be as well - it's like saying "we have this black box service we sort of have an idea of what it does and if we send it X/Y/Z we know what happens, it should work the same with W too - I've been in that scenario often enough to know that's an assumption that I'd rather see the data for.

I already saw that people in my peer group reported short term side effects like headache after getting vaccination, have taken days off from work, family members complained about dizziness the day after.

It's relatively easy to do these studies along with long COVID studies, should be insignificant even compares to money that will be spent on vaccination campaigns - so why skip out on valuable data.

This isn't really what I'm worried about. Right now people are talking long COVID, subtle long term brain damage and it seems like mechanisms are still unknown. So who's to say that immune system reaction triggered by vaccination isn't causing same kind of hard to detect damage. I'd be much more comfortable with the vaccine if the long COVID studies included groups :

- no vaccination/hospitalised

- no vaccination/asymptomatic

- vaccination/not infected

- vaccination/infected

I'm not a risk group and have no problems with social distancing so I'm waiting for stuff like this to come out.

But a powerful structural type system built on a flexible object model is really a great mix - type as much as you need, ignore types when they get in the way.

Clojure has some cases where it's insane how elegant you can make the solution, but frankly static languages with good type systems and tooling come close enough but don't have the scaling downsides.

Likewise being a plumber isn't that respectable either.

And let's not even get into the dating/marriage aspect of it.

WiFi kind of helps but still not a fan of having a giant box around for something that I rarely use (but still need often enough to justify owning)

No the utility is determined by you me and everyone else collectively. The problem is financial mechanisms that allow inflating these bubbles are not market driven, central banks are flooding the markets with low interest rates, if they want to direct the markets they need to react to negative distortions they cause.

It's clear cut that o the whole crypto is a huge negative for society.