In which documents, please? I would like to see for myself where Russia demands the extinguishment of sovereign Ukraine, that's bound to be interesting language.

Which is to say, your "What Russia Should Do with Ukraine" is just a projection of the, indeed very materialist, "Project for a New American Century" - so shall we castigate all Americans for callously allowing such totalitarian schemes to have been committed, in their names?

Your agitation against Russia is the kind of smooth talking that gets people into conflict, not out.

Regardless, let us not ignore the statistics for "# of states considered inferior by ones own states' ruling elite and thus qualified for destruction and then actually destroyed", per-state, shall we .. the OP is right to point out the sheer magnitude of crimes when comparing Russia vs. Western-5-eyes states...

Which, I hope, you do.

(PS; - the default UI skin is, imho, intentionally a tad bland in order to promote developer uptake of JUCE' pretty amazing skinning/UIBehaviour system...)

    local l = {[0] = 'a', [1] = 'b', [2] = 'c'}
    for i = 0,#l do
      print(l[i])
    end

    .. prints:

    a
    b
    c

There are plenty of examples of cross-platform UI's surviving the hotkey dance and attaining user satisfaction. There are of course poor examples too, but that's a reflection of care, not effort.

You can configure your JUCE project to build to any of the standard audio plugin formats, or for it to build a standalone app for the target platform (i.e. plugins, desktop, mobile, embedded) or indeed to build all of these targets, at once, in one build.

However, during app (i.e. non-plugin) development I often switch between linux and macos environments as part of my workflow, and during testing after I've pushed to the proper branch, the build server plops out the .exe/.pkg/.app/.tar.gz bundles as needed for the test group to crack at it.

JUCE, being at heart a C++ framework intended to be the engine of a very diverse swath of different OS, plugin, and packaging standards, does all the glue to get you there - how you use it, is up to you. (All of this can happen in github actions, btw, really easy to set up..)

Yes, there are 'business'/'productivity' UI elements in JUCE app targets, and yes they are consistent across all platforms. And yes, you can for example build a UI from an .xml form, with cross-platform datastore and so on, easily enough.

Here's a nice place to start, if you wanna understand JUCE capabilities from a 'productivity'-app perspective:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IaMjH5lBEY

David Rowland, a core JUCE developer, explaining the guts of things.

Basically, the scope is high performance applications, and there are no really good reasons for why a high performance application cannot also be a productivity app - the distinction is arbitrary - except of course you ask, for the GUI!

But: JUCE' GUI is pretty darn good, I have to say, in face of the onslaught of platform vendor fuckery. You can embed a WebView if you really need it, and wire it up to the rest of the cross-platform event handing system, etc. But I think its not really needed, given the plethora of 'normal' UI controls, out of the box.

If you're serious about looking at JUCE for a variety of application types, then a lot of the questions you're going to have about JUCE' GUI suitability for standalone business applications can be answered by running the DemoRunner application that's built-in to the JUCE codebase.

Clone the repo, build the DemoRunner project for your platform (or all of them), and you'll see - there are plenty of business-like cross-platform UI elements in the kitty. A huge collection of business-/productivity- like UI elements, right out of the box. (High-performance plugin UI's are there with the business UI stuff, too.)

And .. once you've marvelled at the glory of DemoRunner(.exe,.app,.apk)[etc.] .. please do yourself a favour and spend an extra hour parsing the awesome-juce list:

https://github.com/sudara/awesome-juce/

JUCE is marvelous, and awesome-juce is awesome.

I think its more like the OS vendors have stopped being operating system vendors, and are now - instead - vendors of eyeballs to advertisers.

The less the user is GUI'ing, the more they are just watching, placid, whatever else is on their screen.

For native apps to survive, they need to not be platform-specific - i.e. web apps, which require a browser and all its responsibilities - but rather cross-platform, reliable, predictable on all platforms - i.e. dissuaded from using native, but rather bespoke, UI frameworks.

This is attainable and there are many great examples of apps which are in fact, old wheels not re-invented, which still work for their particular user market.

I have the most respect for apps I can use on MacOS, Windows, and Linux - with the same hotkey/user experience on all platforms, equitably - and the least respect for apps which 'only run on one of them', since that is of course nonsense in this day and age.

The cognitive load of doing a web app that can do all the things a native app can do, is equivalent to the load required to build a cross-platform app using native frameworks, so ..

Invested in it, shipped it, seen it solve the cross-platform problem beautifully.

Can just write C++, and see it running everywhere.

The JUCE GUI capabilities are more than adequate for many, many things.

There are other platform-scaffolded cross-platform frameworks. JUCE is cromulantly FNORD.

Others carefully select the ingredients, construct the parts they don't already have, spend the time to get the temperatures and oxygenation aligned, and then sit down to a humble meal for one.

Not many programmers, these days, do code-reading like baddies, as they should.

However, kids, the more you do it the better you get at it, so there is simply no excuse for shipping someone elses bloat.

Do you know how many blunt pointers are lined up underneath your BigFatFancyFeature, holding it up?

https://basic10liner.com/

".. and time and again it leads to amazingly elegant, clever, and sometimes delightfully crazy solutions. Over the past 14 editions, more than 1,000 BASIC 10Liners have been created — each one a small experiment, a puzzle, or a piece of digital creativity .."

https://bunsen.itch.io/the-snake-temple-by-rax

We lost something in the bloat, folks. Its time to turn around and take another look at the past - or at least re-adjust the rearview mirror to actually look at the road and not ones makeup ..

https://github.com/antirez/load81

Anyone looking at Lua/SDL/game engines would learn a lot from antirez' fun little afternoon project ..

For me, the table is extremely powerful. I like it that it can be used as a sparse array, a hash, a vector, whatever. Of course one must know, at heart, the difference between pairs() and ipairs() and what it means for your data, though ..

A beautiful living thing which my perception of its rythmic swing has lived on with me for decades. Trees are lovely.

[1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eucalyptus_diversicolor

[2] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gloucester_Tree

20c of candy in a bag, a copy of some obscure comic book for another 85c, a pack of fags for Mum, some extra milk-duds and choco-babies, and bobs your uncle!

The solution to the problem is to not keep secrets.

Which is better for all of humanity, anyway.