I saw many comments here saying SaaS is dead, for example. That any service can now be vibecoded and replicated internally. And I can't help but think if they've ever tried running, supporting and maintaining a piece of software. The code was never the hardest part. Not even close. In fact, cheap "coding" has been a thing for over 25 years now if that's what you wanted.

To me this feels like saying everyone can be a carpenter now because it's so cheap and easy to just buy a hammer and some nails and go at it.

I do think it's great to hear that people can now vibecode their own custom fit tools that work exactly the way they want them to. But that process is not free.

SQLAlchemy is a beast for sure. But the complexity is not for fun. It gives you a lot in return. If your needs are simple, it's probably overkill. And this library is not for running queries, it's an ORM. Which has a component that will eventually need to send the queries to the database but it's a lot more than that.

I've been around for a few of these and I remember what was being said and written at the time. The after effect is very different to what was being predicted. Is it the same this time? Who knows. But the hype machine is at full power for this one.

Though I believe the core of his opinion hasn't changed so any video would tell you a similar thing or at least that's how I understood it. That LLMs, in the hands of an "expert", can enhance the way you work. Which is very different and a lot more realistic to what the current AI companies are saying(or were saying before they toned it down a bit for their IPOs).

You can still install that extension but from the reported issues the functionality and bugs were increasing with every new firefox version. And obviously that setup only helped with the cookie aspects and not necessarily any security issues from javascript and so on.

I don't know the future and can't say if you're wrong or right. But I do wonder what "more code, faster" is meant to address exactly.

In my point of view, it depends how you describe your role. If you're a "coder" then yes, you can't compete with machines. I do have to tell you that we're in a bubble and probably in the shrinking phase of an economic cycle so it's all difficult now but you can't predict the future from this temporary phase.

There are many variations to that(firewalls, sandbox abilities etc) but it's a good start in my opinion. And, most importantly, is a far cry from all the people I read about running agents on their machines with admin access and access to their emails and calendars and lives.

Maybe I'm out of touch but none of what was described seems like a sustainable operation or business. Fun experiment perhaps but that's it.

In another section there's also boasting of how the problem was that more code was needed to be produced and faster. I don't know. Was that really the problem all along before LLMs and agents showed up?

I've had a few issues with it for sure but still on it as nothing compares. Definitely not for the price. You didn't say what's incomprehensible about the UI, it seems fine to me. I don't need my email client to look slick(subjective anyway), I just need it to work and work well.

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Note that I am not talking about earning a living and thus necessarily sacrificing time doing that and showing your kids that sometimes you have to work hard to survive in a decent way. I am talking about the parents who outsource their children to childcare to work to pay off the loan on their third car and newest iphone and tell you that they have no choice.

A recent experience for me was a lawyer I hired just forwarding whatever their LLM service said. Granted it was for a commercial contract so doesn't require that much legal muscle, I imagine, but I had to go through multiple rounds of feedback just to point out problems in their amendments. And the response was something along the lines of "yeah that could be a problem, let me review it". It was quite a bit of money too but the experience left me without much confidence that having a lawyer review the contract was any better than just running it through any capable model myself.

To be fair, there were a bunch of students that did listen and worked hard on their assignments and projects and went on to integrate what they learned into their chosen profession and progressed in their jobs. I was very proud of that bunch.

Surprisingly, I wasn't asked by the organizers to teach again. It also didn't help that midway I was asked to switch from teaching web development to machine learning and they didn't really like it when I said "but those are two very different things".