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<p>Which is why the term "cash," to those in finance or familiar with its lingo, is understood to actually mean "short term treasuries" and other things you would find backing a money market account, unless the context very specifically calls for distinguishing those two things.</p>
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<p>Elon has about 10 million times the wealth of the median American, with expected passive income well over a million times that of the median American. He'll pay tax on almost none of it, as a fraction. But probably more than 1/1,000,000th, so it's ok? That's your argument?</p>
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<p>Ha! Red suits them.</p>
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<p>No.<p>I'm surprised someone who picked the name "engineeringwoke" has no love for FDR. He's the GOAT!<p>The largest bank in the US is #14 on the S&P by market cap. If the Federal Reserve is a conspiracy to make banks profitable, it is doing a poor job. More to the point: I challenge anyone who doesn't like the Fed and the compromise it represents (money printer exists, but is guarded from the politicians by a council of 12) to name their alternative. Hard money? Politicians can print? You picked "hard money." Let's go!<p>Everyone who learns about the Cantillon Pump thinks they would love to run it in reverse. This is because they don't understand that it does not run in reverse. It is not symmetrical. They underestimate the pain of a deflationary shock, where everyone (namely your employer) gets an incentive to not participate in the economy and then stops participating in the economy (namely by employing you). Rent and debt is still due, of course. This is the pain that inspired the USA to split from Britain (scrip/specie). This is the pain of the Great Depression -- you threw out that 1935 date like it was the culmination of a Bond bad guy plot, not the capitulation of a country tired of deflation. We even have the counterfactual: Germany, having just escaped the Weimar inflation, decided in 1929 to take the deflationary response to the Great Depression. It led them to a very dark place.<p>Returning to the USA: they weren't called "robber barons" because they failed to accumulate wealth. Capitalism does not guarantee competition (quite the opposite, strong property rights are the nexus of anticompetitive opportunity) which does <i>not</i> remove all profit over the long term, it squeezes it onto assets, which is where that unearned income we were talking about originates from. If you have ever heard or given a business pitch, attended a class in business school, or listened to a VC for 30 seconds you have heard some heinously anticompetitive scheme and their plan to leverage it for personal gain by turning it into an asset they own. Network effects, platform effects, two sided markets, returns to scale, etc etc etc. Usually they don't work, but when they do and you get a stock or a deed or a title to a money fountain (exploitation fountain, seen from the other side) you get to stack trillions while the competition spends decades trying to cross your capitalism-created and capitalism-guaranteed moat.<p>Yes, in recent times the money printer has been used to exacerbate inequality. But it isn't the cause of inequality -- certainly not if you look at what happened in the 1935: <a href="https://ceprdc.tumblr.com/post/87307310830/piketty-in-one-graph-this-graphic-summarizes-the" rel="nofollow">https://ceprdc.tumblr.com/post/87307310830/piketty-in-one-gr...</a><p>Turns out you can have an inflationary adjustment <i>and</i> unwind inequality <i>and</i> boost the economy at the same time, so long as you remember to tax the rich. FDR sends his regards!<p>You'd like Capital in the 21st Century.</p>
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<p>"Reply guy" culture is notorious for breeding sycophancy.</p>
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<p>> capital gains, or interest, are "earned"<p>According to the IRS, "unearned income" is money received from sources other than employment, such as interest, dividends, rental income, and pensions.<p>We tax it at a vastly lower rate than ordinary income, and we tax it not at all for the purposes of exponential compounding, which is the application in which it is most problematic. What fraction of Elon's capital gains do you think have ever been realized?</p>
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<p>The allegations of PG ducking AOC's definition of "earn," the allegations of missing externalities, all the specific controversies -- you have made no post over 20 words, no explanation of why you find any of this criticism substance free. If you have something to say, say it.</p>
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<p>Growth rates are central to wealth inequality: the r>g observation (due to Piketty, Capital in the 21st Century) is that both historically and recently the returns to capital exceed the growth rate of the economy. Trusting someone whose fortune was built on "r" and is staked on "r" to do anything other than cheer-lead his own balance sheet would be nuts. Hear him out, but please hear what Piketty (& fiends) have to say as well.</p>
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<p>The responses to PG were remarkably substantive and specific, in the direction you point out and others! The high-horse complaint about "negativity" was easily the laziest and least specific thing in this thread.</p>
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<p>The description explains (in bold, multiple times) that it has the awful behavior I am looking to avoid.</p>
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<p>I mean, so long as it cuts off and throws a red light I'll figure it out, especially if the brick got toasty, and then I can find a new brick. My problem is that "best effort" seems to be almost universal behavior among PD triggers and it multiplies the failure modes.</p>
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<p>Speaking of which, does anyone know a line of PD Decoy modules to convert barrel jacks to USB-C without the atrocious behavior of "oh, the charger doesn't have 12V, here's 9V have fun!" that the early ones all did? Ideally I'd like a little red light to come on or something, but I'd settle for not silently browning out the device.</p>
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<p>My mistake, and that's too bad - my priors about courts were higher than the police, and this decreases them. Thanks for the correction.</p>
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<p>Yep! The equation even has a "left" and "right" term that correspond to political left and right:<p><pre><code>    gains = investment * rate_of_return
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Left term: rich people get paid for being rich in proportion to how rich they are. This is an exponential and it creates, reinforces, and perpetuates a class hierarchy where poor people must pay to exist and rich people get paid to exist. Capitalism is a Softmax function.<p>Right term: capital allocation decisions are made with skin in the game. Every chunk of the economy has a responsible owner who is rewarded/punished and promoted/demoted for good/bad decisions. Capitalism is a Q-learning algorithm.</p>
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<p>No mention of Piketty or r>g?<p>Look, I know this is a tech forum and we don't claim to be good at the social sciences, but this is a central debate and r>g, the idea that the rate of return to capital tends to exceed economic growth over the course of history, is a major result from Piketty's Capital In The 21st Century that people interested in "grow the pie" vs "trickle down" really ought to be familiar with. Even if you disagree, you ought to be able to articulate why, and "the average includes winners and losers" ain't it.<p>"But life has improved, r>g couldn't have been true forever" -- last time the inequality bubble popped because of a great depression and two world wars. The capital was incinerated, metaphorically and literally. It's a cautionary tale and we should aspire to do better.</p>
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<p>Yes! What's wild is that the story is a microcosm of what's wrong with the economy as a whole, where his work was worthless in comparison to his winning lottery ticket, which itself was (charitably) 10% due to SpaceX achieving its original mission and 90% due to investor optimism about AI datacenters in space.</p>
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<p>If I can pay property taxes on the unrealized value of my house, a notoriously illiquid asset with a notoriously subjective and noisy valuation, then billionaires can pay property taxes on their galactic piles of unrealized gains, which are more liquid than a firehose and easier to value than a $2 bill. This could crash the economy if done too aggressively, but the same can be said of every important economic decision ever made.<p>We've been pushing all the money into the capital economy and all the taxes into the labor economy and this can't go on forever.</p>
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<p>Last time inequality cooked up it took a lifetime to go back down. It did so very painfully through capital incineration on a monumental scale: a great depression, where the incineration was metaphorical, and two world wars, where it was very literal. In both cases it was economical and in both cases it fixed the problem but at enormous cost. We should aim to do better.</p>
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<p>Yes, although I tend to think this produces better incentives and is easier to administer if we formulate it as progressive corporate taxation. This structurally discourages mega conglomeration and encourages spin-offs to enhance competition. Also, taxing at the source of profits obviates the need to track down the destinations of profit, who are far more numerous and easy to hide.<p>The non-explosive way to do this is simply to set the heel above the megacorps today and let inflation push them into it. They will be able to avoid the heel by splitting at their leisure, slowly remediating the consolidation we have seen and restoring competition.</p>
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<p>Regarding "moral compromise," many in this thread are missing the forest for the trees. The trees are taxi drivers and airbnb noise complaints, the forest is a policy environment that is absurdly tilted towards capital:<p>- Ordinary income has sky-high taxes compared to capital gains, and you don't even have to pay the taxes on capital gains if you don't realize them!<p>- Inelastic labor supply mismanaged into increasingly soggy demand, mathematically tanking wages<p>- Attributing credit for job creation to capital without attributing blame for job destruction to capital<p>there are more, but these are all Political Economy decisions that didn't have to be this way. They are this way because people with money and power wanted them to be this way and were willing to morally compromise to get them this way.</p>
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