In general, I actually thought the entirety of your comment was totally on point and I'm very glad you made it. Look I know I'm not "making music" in any sort of traditional manner and I know how it's perceived. But it is something I've been devoting more time to, and getting a lot of pleasure out of. Ultimately I want to pass the inside of my brain on to other humans, and feel like this is a process that might help me do that given the particular circumstances of my genetic lottery (that is, vs using my vocal chords to sing or my fingers to play a violin). But I know this whole endeavor sounds a bit fake/slop... still I'd rather not put up euphemistic descriptions of my "new band" on twitter/insta but rather call it what it is. After all "songxytr" is pronounced "songshitter."

And thanks for your handle... I had missed that. Given I was sitting in Goa *yesterday... EDM is very much the mood.

While you may have meant that as a criticism, I don't think that is an inaccurate description of the process and do hope my post describes it as such. Yes sampling from the latent-space is an exercise in curating and harnessing randomness.

>> ...the mental justifications in the blog post are painful. I think you may find musicians bristle at your claim that all art is circular,

Yes I many/most do. This is not a method of "making music" that could have been contemplated 5 years ago (harnessing randomness = learning an instrument for 10+ years = wtf!!!??). But it exists today, and there are a lot of folks like me who are enabled by it. There will be some among us (not me!) who come along who are far more talented, and when this tech is shown to enable their talent, then I think the bristling will lessen.

>> [various issues about copyright]

I write my own lyrics from my meat-brain, so I may own the copyright to the words (maybe?). But I've chosen to release the words out into the world with no expectation of keeping that. And yes I understand I do not own the copyright to the songs/music/etc (I have read Suno's rights and recent Udio/UMG deals etc). In any case, I don't much care about that, nor am I looking to make $$$ off this. I wrote (words) for a long time... and can now put them to music. If there are any others of you out there who would like to do that, I would suggest you try these paths as well.

Just try not to push the button 1x... do it 5,000x! It's the effort and vision that keeps you from "slop" - and maybe you'll be the one who'll make it great fucking art!

Well I do believe it is "music" but whether it's any "good" I guess idk! I do enjoy the process though and believe there would be others who would as well.

Album here: https://open.spotify.com/album/3e6k9eiGUlOBcoI2yd3DrM

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Album here: https://open.spotify.com/album/3e6k9eiGUlOBcoI2yd3DrM

Written about the process here: https://songxytr.substack.com/p/on-making-music-with-the-mac...

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>> think that soon, some very accomplished musicians will learn to leverage tools like Suno, but they aren't in the majority yet. We're still in the "vibe-coding" phase of AI music generation. We saw this happen with CG. When it started, engineers did most of the creating, and we got less-than-stellar results[0]. Then, CG became its own community and vocation, and true artists started to dominate.

Hey its likely not going to be me, but let's be real - any user of this technology who has gone beyond the "type in a prompt and look i got a silly song about poop" stage will probably agree - someone's going to produce some bangers using this tech. It's inevitable and if you don't think so it's likely you haven't done anything more than "low-effort" work on these platforms. "Low effort" work - which a majority of AI swill us - is going to suck, whether its AI or not.

And while I have the forum, I do want to make another point. I pay more for a month for Suno than Spotify ($25 vs $9). Suno/Udio etc: do what you need to to make sure the artists and catalogues are getting compensated... as an user I would pay even more knowing that was settled.

And then comes Suno (and OpenAI's jukebox before that), and it felt like my brain exploded... like the classic scene in a superhero movie when the power was given to me. Is my music good? No - but I spent years writing and fashioning poetry and all of a sudden can put that to music... hard to explain how awesome that feels. and i love using the tools and it's getting better and it's been fundamentally empowering. I know it's easy to say generative art is generative swill... but "learning Suno" is no different than "learning guitar".

https://open.spotify.com/album/45CY60A8GCHxBQb7DCJsIl

https://songxytr.substack.com/p/what-is-a-songxytr

https://yorsad.blogspot.com/1984/12/xx.html

Take the first poem talked about in OP’s article and one of the comments: “humans working hard to prove that they can make art that’s somehow even worse than AI slop.” I see this sort of comment a lot and I’m not saying that’s wrong at all – undoubtedly the vast vast majority of AI “content” is truly “slop.”

But I’ve also believed that genAI could be thought of like an instrument. Most music played on a piano or a synth or a guitar is slop; but it undoubtedly allows for music to be made that would otherwise not exist. I hope the same can be said of Suno (or whatever – hopefully opensourced alternative - follows).

And here’s one of my attempts, a song about the ethics of making music with the machine: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3w5HBrMenZM

My understanding is that this is a (somewhat) open-source project that does music generation. I haven't read the license to see how permissive it truly is, but being someone who has been involved in this space for a while, I can say that we definitely need more open-source projects. Suno is great but completely walled off.

So yeah YueAI team... if you're really going to keep this project open... don't listen to the haters and keep going.

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Yes, they have never mentioned that the 3.5 model already does this in the back-end for certain features.

Anyone at OpenAi care to comment... not a particularly controversial topic.

[1] https://openai.com/index/function-calling-and-other-api-upda...

This is not "cheating" in my opinion... in general better for LLMs to know when to call certain functions, etc.

Really surprised haven't seen these EREVs in the west, although Hyundai is supposed to launch in US in 2026. Could be game-changer when that happens...

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li_Auto

As a comp, SunRun puts out detailed cost estimates for their residential systems each quarter[1]. Their average system cost was $5/watt, but with 50% of their installs having batteries. So for an 8Kw system (if you were buying outright) you should have gotten a quote of $40k with a "half-sized" battery. After US tax incentives, your cost should be <$30k including battery.

But yeah, if you're not in a region where they do a lot of installs, you won't get that price...

[1] "CreationCostMemo" tab in https://d1io3yog0oux5.cloudfront.net/_eb9fb58f3a5f81478f0536...