https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DFW_Floh

Comments URL: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47091683

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Did you have to be the party pooper? People were trying to indulge one of the most noble and timeless of pursuits: pissing on the poor! >(

Well... one cannot choose family for one is always bound to them by biology. Does that matter? No. One's life is more than that. One can leave family in the dust, a choice many of Adam's targets had to make to continue living, while others never even got to make that choice. Either way, equating (and let's be frank: most often elevating) yesterday's "hero" to family status certainly is a choice.

In this spirit: "Here's a nickel kid, buy yourself a better eulogy."

And many others will vote for system-wreckers (broadly: conservatives) again, because the democrats cannot fix much of the damage done within the next legislative periods, let alone just one... even if the miracle of a trifecta happens and SCOTUS loses its majority on top of it. Rinse, repeat.

Yes, it's certainly an interesting conundrum, both on a strictly individual as well as collective level. One solution is to get one's coding as far away from the digital equivalent of plumbing as possible. In other words: One concentrates on the artistic, non-utilitarian (in the Wildean sense) stuff. A manifestation of cultural expression, a transfer of "the personal". That doesn't have to exclude the utilitarian, of course; it's offered more as a door which might neccessitate a deeper reflection before the commitment (e. g. Joanna Maciejewska's oneliner on "AI").

Org mode never touched ConnectedText for me; I'd probably still use it if the tool either had gotten open-sourced and/or taken over by a dedicated team (of professionals). Its pros were user friendlieness, powerful scripting, reliability, having an extremely good search functionality, and a small but dedicated community. In other words some things Org mode still has not. And getting text in and out was trivial.

Sadly, AFAIK, the dev threw in the towel after facing a refactorization of the code. Having single-dev complex applications is very seldom a sign of sustainability (SPOF).

And functioning wikis obviously implement standards; several of them can run on flat-file structures (e. g. TiddlyWiki). Org mode can or could run them as front-end. Et cetera.

It feels like you answered your own questions and are also to bothered by what sloperators and assorted clout chasers think. Coding, especially "deep work", is your passion that you'll still do once you exit the rat race, vibe coding is the source of your intellectual understimulation.

To me, that solution would be simple... cut out the slop, make stuff that you'll be remembered for, that you and maybe some like-minded folks collaborate on. Who cares what some rando vibeclown thinks how long something takes? You did something you might be proud of (i. e. you didn't waste time on trivialities like so many others) and had fun along the way.

But then again my advice comes from a different corner. I don't do vibecoding. Never have, never will. I also count myself lucky that I never had to as all my professional creative endeavours happen(ed) in a freelance capacity, thereby circumventing the corporate slopmire. And I'll intend to keep it that way for control, time, and my mental health are much more important to me. I also enjoy the privilege that I don't have to live in the United States, or a country with a similar, or even worse, setup...

As for different industries... that depends on a lot factors.

What I always find amusing are the false equivalences, where one or several (creative) processes involving the hard work that is a fundamental part of the craft get substituted by push-to-"I did this!1!!" slop.

How's the saying go? "I hate doing thing x. The only thing I hate more is not doing thing x". One either owns that, or one doesn't. So that is indeed not mysterious. Especially not in a system where "Fake it till you make it" has been and is advertised as a virtue.

I read that in the voice of the talking anus-mouthed beetle from Naked Lunch.

I categorized them not as "the same", but as examples of concept-delineating polar opposites. This as answer to somebody who essentially trotted out the "but they're just labels!1!!" line, which was already considered intellectually lazy before it was turned into a sad meme by people who married their bongs back in the 90s.

> "I would never consider myself a coder - though I can and have written quite a lot of code over the years [...]"

Good for you. A coder, to me, is simply somebody who can produce working programs on their own and has the neccessary occupational (self-) respect. This fans out into several degrees of capabilities, of course.

> "[...] but you called someone who claims to have written plenty of code themselves a coding-illiterate just because now they'd rather use an LLM than do it themselves. "

No. I simply answered this one question:

> “If I’m not the man who can [...] build working programs… WHO AM I?”

Aside from that I reflected on an insulting(ly daft) but extremely common attitude amongst sloperators, especially on parasocial media platforms:

> "As it turns out, writing code isn’t super useful."

Imagine I go to some other SIG to say shit like this: As it turns out, [reading and writing words/playing or operating an instrument or tool/drawing/calculating/...] isn’t "super useful". Suckers!

I'd expect to get properly mocked and then banned.

> "You basically took some people talking about their own opinions on what they find enjoyable, [...]"

Congratulations, you're just the next strawmen salesman. For the last time, bambini: I don't care if this guy uses LLMs and enjoys it... for that was never the focus of my argument at all.