So now you’re making me sit and “look stupid” because I have to actually parse out in human language why I think the way I think, meaning I have to sit and reason out why I did something

This is such a terrible approach

I mean going through engineering school and rigorous STEM degrees I can say that stuff is baked into the formula. You’re derided and dogged and gaslit from the onset.

Is it surprising these people graduate, become senior and perpetuate the mental unhealth?

For example: underlying does a task that is correct and valid but not what the higher up envisioned or hoped for. In this case you’re just going to come off as a prick for “gently guiding me” to a conclusion I disagree with, but which I’m not allowed to (non confrontationally) articulate as you’ve corralled this conversation down one narrow path based on your personal preference

As someone who while I was a junior was starved for someone to actually teach and mentor me, I’d say this scenario played out much more often than one where I was given valuable education. yrmv

Because the attitude you and OP and honestly nearly 100% of companies and hirers out there take is “fuck it, we don’t want to do this the right way. we don’t want to respect potential employees time, we want to be vague about what we’re seeking and unreasonably selective as we put candidates through a meat grinder”

No I won’t read the 500th repetitive job posting with business hr speak and no clue what actually lies ahead

I’m not blaming you in particular, this is an industry wide thing. But the problems didn’t start with people seeking a career, they started with entitled hiring practices that are more often than not outright abusive

But honestly, what’s actually the point of this call?

“What do we do here? How do we work? What will the rest of the interview process look like?”

Is any of that really worth it’s own call? The interview process should already have been established in the damn job posting. Why 99% of job postings in an industry that prides itself on intelligence is beyond me… It’s not complicated. X rounds, y and z hoops, done.

As for what we do and how we work, I imagine you can either express it in the posting or you’ll need a real call

I just don’t see the point of this step that everyone wants to do. It seems like a giant waste of time, inefficiency, and I can’t help but feel it’s interviewers flexing some weird ego thing

You’re a stranger to me at this point. You think I should spend potentially hours of homework studying you, in the off chance that this phone screen will land a job?

I’d wager fewer than 1 in 5 phone screens lands a job on average. How many hours is a candidate expected to do homework for you? What are you doing as an equivalent investment in the candidate?

Maybe you should stop and reflect why no one is responding to this email and what that means…

Why are you so strong minded that it cannot be this way? Genuinely curious as I’ve personally never seen more than conjecture that it should be this way

I learned to filter out indian hiring people because 100% of them started a conversation demanding “updated resume”. I noticed even if I said the one I submitted was most recent they would still demand I send another. Clearly trying to get more data from me.

Other than that we’re several positions at companies which couldn’t be validated, interviewers who were so clueless they had to be faking, and numerous other issues.

And of course that’s after already weeding out all the bot generated job postings.

Imagine, at the rate of wokeness, any joke or non factual piece of information you present is now searchable via text or even related terms.

Now imagine your boss or HR person doesn’t really like you and needs an excuse to get you in trouble. They’re few queries away from finding something that from some angle can make you look like a monster.

Better just to say as little as possible.

Honestly, there’s been a lot of lies and fraud in the green movement. There’s never any suggestion that our actions will produce specific results in a measurable way. We’re just always being fed one fear mongering tactic after another.

carbon offsets being a lie. most recycling being dumped. corporations having unfettered plastic usage while you’re demanded to use a paper straw…

Face it, at this point big oil has a more honest reputation.

How do you contradict yourself so quickly and not see it?

Our electric cars aren’t using “renewable energy” (what a shifty term). They’re using oil being converted to electric energy (at a cost of losing some of the efficiency)

Maybe someday these cars will use energy purely generated from the sun or wind, but given the volume of cars in the planet Im suspicious we’ll ever generate that much. This ignores a growing population where each year we collectively consume more and more

Fusion would be a way to do it, or even fission, but for some reason we can’t consider fission and we don’t put nearly enough money into researching fusion

Ah, the “poor downtrodden women” angle.

Yes academia is very easy for white nationally born men. That’s why there aren’t any white male plumbers or garbage people.

Let’s take ukrainian men vs women. For women you are granted asylum, and probably fast tracked in a social program to help you. If you’re a man under 60 years old, you’re not allowed to leave Ukraine and instead are likely being drafted to a war you want nothing to do with. You’re physically prevented from leaving the country.

Great take.

No one should be relying on their job for their primary social experience. If you have never had a social life outside of it, you’re missing out on life.

If you want to change that, men have to hold themselves accountable for protecting themselves against women.

You might not like that reality, it’s not a good one, but it’s true.

What? That’s not admirable at all. That’s blatant sexism.

“(STEM is 100% historically discriminatory to women)”

Lol no, if anything it’s clearly discriminatory towards men in the false assumption that low female population isn’t an internal cause