<rss version="2.0" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"><channel><title>Hacker News: vannevar</title><link>https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=vannevar</link><description>Hacker News RSS</description><docs>https://hnrss.org/</docs><generator>hnrss v2.1.1</generator><lastBuildDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2026 15:42:25 +0000</lastBuildDate><atom:link href="https://hnrss.org/user?id=vannevar" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml"></atom:link><item><title><![CDATA[New comment by vannevar in "Paul Atkins misreads Adam Smith and the American founding"]]></title><description><![CDATA[
<p>I don't think we disagree on Smith in general, I certainly never claimed that his approach was science. My point was simply that his "invisible hand" analogy has been extended way beyond its original expression in the book, because it has suited people who claim that the "free market" (whatever that means) is magically self-regulating in all respects, something that Smith never said himself.</p>
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<p>>Isn't it obvious that Smith uses the sucked-out-of-thumbs claim (A) to "derive" claim (B) as a special case?<p>No, it is not obvious. If the general claim were so important, why then focus on the specific case?<p>>You simply refuse to address the text, focusing on your second-guessing instead. Besides, you're completely oblivious to Smith's opinions stated as facts, because in the above quotes, neither the general nor the specific claims are true. They're just "I say so".<p>Ha, if that isn't the pot calling the kettle black. You're simply taking the popularized (and incorrect) interpretation and retroactively fitting it to the narrower original without paying any attention to the plain words on the page. When I first read WoN, I was shocked that the whole "invisible hand" thing was not only <i>not</i> the central theme of the book, it wasn't even the central theme of the chapter it appears in. WoN is not about deregulating industry, it's about creating the modern idea of industry in the first place. Smith never gets to the issue of how industry should be regulated, because he's preoccupied with advocating for the very idea of private industry in a world where, internationally, it's the exception.</p>
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<p>>> Sadly, economics is not yet a science,<p>>Nor is there any visible attempt to make it a science.<p>This will come as quite a surprise to the complexity theorists studying economics as a complex adaptive system. But you prove my point, the cacophony of pseudoscience overwhelms whatever incremental progress real science makes in economics.<p>>> Millions of people know Adam Smith only by his "invisible hand" analogy, which appears only once in the entire book and in a completely different context... the tendency of business to buy local.<p>>That's quite a stretch, I mean, it's your right to second-guess Smith as much as you like, and ascribe some "invisible" intent behind his writing, but the text doesn't support your view.<p>You may count yourself among the millions misinterpreting Smith's reference. Here is your quote again, this time with the relevant context:<p>"But the annual revenue of every society is always precisely equal to the exchangeable value of the whole annual produce of its industry, or rather is precisely the same thing with that exchangeable value. As every individual, therefore, endeavours as much as he can, both to employ his capital in the support of domestic industry, and so to direct that industry that its produce maybe of the greatest value; every individual necessarily labours to render the annual revenue of the society as great as he can. He generally, indeed, neither intends to promote the public interest, nor knows how much he is promoting it. <i>By preferring the support of domestic to that of foreign industry, he intends only his own security; and by directing that industry in such a manner as its produce may be of the greatest value, he intends only his own gain; and he is in this, as in many other cases, led by an invisible hand to promote an end which was no part of his intention.</i> Nor is it always the worse for the society that it was no part of it. By pursuing his own interest, he frequently promotes that of the society more effectually than when he really intends to promote it. I have never known much good done by those who affected to trade for the public good. It is an affectation, indeed, not very common among merchants, and very few words need be employed in dissuading them from it."<p>He's pointing out that people have a natural tendency to buy local, and so, while only consciously intending to benefit themselves, they actually end up benefiting their entire community <i>as though guided by an invisible hand.</i> The language seems pretty plain to me, but as you say, you are free to interpret or misinterpret it as you wish.<p>>> real science [is] run over by louder, dumber voices shrieking about "free markets" (an oxymoron)<p>>Well, Smith was a free trader, and in that light, he claimed restrictions to free trade are the foundation of all other market regulations, which makes them bad by implication. Smith was a PR BS-generator.<p>"Free trade" as a useful concept generally belongs on the same trash heap as "free markets"; neither trade nor markets as we know them exist without considerable regulation. We can certainly argue about the degree and nature of the regulations, but the simpleminded notion that "less regulation equals better markets" is simply wrong. As for Smith, he lived in a time where international trade was heavily centralized around governments. When he spoke of "free trade", he was really referring to private trade, independent of the government monopolies of the day. You could certainly think of this as a form of deregulation, but it was really more a case of advocacy for legalization.<p>>Bk4, Ch 3, part 2 - "Nothing, however, can be more absurd than this whole doctrine of the balance of trade, upon which, not only these restraints, but almost _all the other regulations of commerce, are founded_ ... But that trade which, _without force or constraint_, is naturally and regularly carried on between _any two places_, is always advantageous."<p>I'd certainly agree with Smith about trade deficits, which fall into the realm of purely political misuse of economics. And when he speaks of "constraints" here, he's saying the government shouldn't dictate specific commodity purchases, not that the government shouldn't have sensible regulations like requiring safety features on private vessels or prohibiting the shipment of dangerous goods without proper inspections and permitting.</p>
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<p>Sadly, economics is not yet a science, but still mostly a hodgepodge of philosophy, superstition, and politics, where the fragile beginnings of scientific inquiry and real science are regularly run over by louder, dumber voices shrieking about "free markets" (an oxymoron) and "supply side" (a bald rationalization for providing welfare to the wealthy). Millions of people know Adam Smith only by his "invisible hand" analogy, which appears only once in the entire book and in a completely different context from that which it is usually quoted---he was talking about the tendency of business to buy local because of familiarity, not making some broad claim about the self-regulation of markets.</p>
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<p>You had me at "this administration is a tool."</p>
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<p>Perfect alignment is mathematically impossible, just as perfect security is mathematically impossible. Alignment is only as good as its assumptions. That doesn't make it irrelevant---if we could show that alignment would likely last as long as the Sun, for instance, we might call that good enough. The problem is that superintelligence is inextricably bound to the notion of singularity, in which case alignment is irrelevant. The unspoken assumption around practical alignment discussions today is that "superintelligence" can be nerfed enough so that it's superior to humans in useful dimensions but not in unhelpful ones. It remains to be seen whether that is true, but the AI leadership certainly seems confident enough to spend vast sums of other people's money in order to find out.</p>
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<p>It's not all inflation expectations, either. The dollar has been strong lately due to elevated oil prices---countries that are short need extra dollars to buy oil, so they often liquidate treasuries to get them.</p>
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<p>People are not marrying chatbots, and these lawmakers just want to distract voters from the economic and political disasters unfolding before their eyes.</p>
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<p>>Contracting for more chips than you can make isn't a fun situation to find yourself in, nobody is doing it for profit (it's actually quite expensive in time, money, and reputation to litigate the fallout).<p>This is true in the ordinary course of business. But we may be in an extraordinary situation where, if the chipmakers do <i>not</i> overcommit, their stock price collapses <i>today</i>. Given the choice between blowing up now or blowing up 2 years from now, these companies may very well be choosing to blow up in the future. A lot could happen in the meantime, including bankruptcy of their customers. Which would certainly solve their overcommitment problem.</p>
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<p>>You think after hundreds of years of economic study we don't have any sort of grasp on these absolute most basic concepts?<p>Nonetheless, even after all these hundreds of years of economic study, companies still make mistakes (and occasionally, commit fraud). And we still have massive economic crashes. If only everyone understood the "basic concepts", all of this would go away and we would achieve 100% economic efficiency at all times. What a pity.</p>
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<p>This is a great question. Data center demand != AI demand. And chips sales at this point is driven by data center projects, not directly by AI demand.</p>
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<p>No one has claimed that. Only that there is a risk that semiconductor manufacturers will be incentivized to overcommit, resulting in collateral economic damage when they fail to deliver.</p>
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<p>Yes, it happens all the time. Sometimes it's actual fraud, sometimes it happens due to unforeseen supply chain issues. Sometimes it's a gray area in between, where production is possible but the supplier hides relevant risks in order to secure the deal.<p>Several examples can be found in lists of supply chain disasters, eg the 1995 Apple production shortfall:<p><a href="https://supplychaindigital.com/supply-chain-risk-management/top-10-worst-supply-chain-disasters-history" rel="nofollow">https://supplychaindigital.com/supply-chain-risk-management/...</a></p>
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<p>>Commodities like corn have been managing this for a long time… what’s special about chips?<p>Chips aren't grown, for starters. They require very expensive facilities that take a long time to plan, build and start up. And ag firms are not seeing their stock price skyrocket based on the assumption that they will show exponential revenue growth every quarter, so there's no incentive for them to overbook their capacity and hope for the best. Maybe if the population was doubling every six months, you'd see something similar in corn. Prices in the real world are not perfectly elastic, and big deals are often locked in long before actual production.</p>
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<p>"Demand destruction" doesn't literally mean all demand is destroyed; it refers to the demand curve you reference. But as a sibling commenter notes, real business is rarely as clean as an econ textbook. In the real world, a supplier can contract to supply more units than they can actually produce. Their customers rely on the representation to make other related deals. And of course, the supplier can book the contracted revenue, causing investors to rely on the forward sales. They can't raise the price at that point, it's fixed in the contract. So if it turns out they physically can't deliver when the time comes, some number of the deals have to be blown up, causing related deals to blow up, etc., etc. That is the risk I was referring to.</p>
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<p>The problem isn't the price. No matter how much you pay, you can't take delivery of a chip that doesn't exist. Now, you could raise prices to the point where you destroy demand. But that's a tricky window to maneuver through.</p>
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<p>We could say that about a lot of infrastructure that has been recklessly placed on the open Internet because it was cheaper than more secure solutions. I would say the same about home security systems, for instance.</p>
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<p>>As the memory industry is still recovering from the challenging environment in 2023, this tight supply environment will help drive the considerable improvements in profitability and ROI (return on investment) that are needed to enable the investments required to support future growth.<p>The problem is that they need actual chips tomorrow. I fear we are reaching the point in the semiconductor industry where, in order to sustain the revenue growth propping up their valuations, they're going to have to start selling future chips that cannot possibly be physically produced.</p>
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<p>The article focuses specifically on the economic effects of tax cuts, concluding that they have little overall positive effect on economic or job growth. This is consistent with meta-studies looking at the relevant research. To the extent that "supply-side economics" predicts that tax cuts will stimulate the economy, it's fair to say that it has indeed been debunked.</p>
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<p>Apparently there were healthcare strikes in February that depressed the numbers there, which were resolved by March. Also maybe data center and World Cup hospitality hiring. But hard to say. As others have noted, there are big error bands on these numbers.</p>
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