<rss version="2.0" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"><channel><title>Hacker News: wanqing_street</title><link>https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=wanqing_street</link><description>Hacker News RSS</description><docs>https://hnrss.org/</docs><generator>hnrss v2.1.1</generator><lastBuildDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2026 14:27:41 +0000</lastBuildDate><atom:link href="https://hnrss.org/user?id=wanqing_street" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml"></atom:link><item><title><![CDATA[New comment by wanqing_street in "IBM CEO says open weight models are now good and cheap on-prem"]]></title><description><![CDATA[
<p>Worth putting DeepSeek's own pricing rule next to that, because it sets the floor for self-hosting. In a closed-door investor meeting in May 2026, Liang Wenfeng said the API is priced so that "we go to the market and buy a batch of equipment, and recoup the cost in ten months" - that being, in his words, a reasonable profit. He adds that maximizing profit would mean charging more, but demand is inelastic in that band (he cut one model's price to a quarter and the team was delighted). I translated the excerpts, since the transcript only circulates in Chinese: <a href="https://telegra.ph/Liang-Wenfeng-on-DeepSeek-cost-restraint-and-the-road-to-AGI-10-26" rel="nofollow">https://telegra.ph/Liang-Wenfeng-on-DeepSeek-cost-restraint-...</a><p>If the vendor price is calibrated to a ten-month hardware payback, then at equal utilization there is no arbitrage in self-hosting: the crossover is roughly whether your sustained API spend exceeds the hardware plus that ten months. DeepSeek's own disclosed numbers give the benchmark to beat: 226.75 H800 nodes averaged over a day (~1,814 GPUs), 608B input tokens/day of which 56.3% hit the KV cache, 168B output tokens/day, ~73.7k tok/s input per node while prefilling and ~14.8k tok/s output while decoding.<p>That utilization is the hard part, and it is roughly what the IBM CEO is pointing at with "where are my kernel engineers". Self-hosting open weights on two or three racks is not the problem; amortizing them at a frontier lab's duty cycle is.</p>
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