Yes, it’s less direct than touching the screen, but it makes more sense for the model of UI they’ve been going for over the last 20 years where the content of the window is more meaningful than the window itself, which is to say worrying about where the scroll bars are rather than what part of the document you’re looking at is what’s not natural.

Any non-anecdotal data on that assertion?

I don't know if they're arrogant to consider themselves the main customer base, but I don't think it's an unfair assumption, either.

Kagi was almost advertised to me as what Google used to be. Again, I don't know if that's ever how Kagi put it themselves, but that's the impression that was given.

> Whilst I may not represent the average person, I have no need to check bank statements or manage insurance immediately

I think a lot of people check to make sure how much money they have before they make some purchases, especially big ones. Or, they check with this card declined (might need to move some money from one account to another or use a different card).

I teach high school and see students doing this all the time when buying food for lunch. I can't imagine it's any less prevalent amongst adults of a certain generation.

I certainly need to know how much money I have at any given time when I'm shopping. Seems fairly privileged (not in a bad way) to not need to think about that.

If moaning were DLC, they'd get a monthly subscription.

Put another way: do you truly see insulting people's sense of agency with cutesy misspellings of other people's names as an effective way to making the world a better place?

Your messages read like the ravings of those who think putting a dollar sign in Micro$oft was really sticking it to the man. Nothing short of an irritating, rumbling, moaning noise.

For me who always uses a Magic Trackpad, doing gestures is the equivalent to holding down that wee button. So I think we see eye on eye on this.

It's the people who can't imagine that you'd ever have your hands away from the keyboard, so everything that could reasonably be done with a keyboard can and must be done with a keyboard, who get up my back.

See also: Linux users who insist all you need is a terminal and vim. Exact same thing.

> Definitely not

Sounds like a you problem.

> easier.

> It's harder [...]

Sounds like a you problem.

> [...] because you have to memorise more gestures and perform more complicated ones.

Oh no, how will I ever remember (checks notes) swiping. On a Trackpad!? Insane.

> More spatially natural

> That makes no sense.

I swipe left, window goes left. I swipe right, window goes right. I swipe up, window goes up. I swipe down, windows goes down.

It's as close to actually flicking the windows around the space provided without getting a touch screen.

> and only uses one hand

We agree.

> unless, of course, your other hand is always near a corner

Corner of what?

> you don't need to type to have your left hand rest [...]

Big assumption that I'm left-handed. The modifiers on the right-hand side of some keyboards, including on notebooks, are seriously iffy.

> [...] rest near the left near corner of the keyboard

If my other arm isn't anywhere close to the computer, then it's nowhere near the keyboard, let alone the corner.

> you've just moved your RSI to your right hand

How often am I swiping windows? Barely.

Are you also saying any use of the trackpad or mouse, no matter how little, is automatically RSI?

Whereas having your fingers nearly-permanently at the ready over (or near the corner of) the keyboard is A-OK?

> Also hands have the same length, so leaning back doesn't prevent leaving one finger on a modifier

Back to the RSI angle because my hands are not glued to the keyboard. The way you seem to think so tells me you only sit at a desktop when using a computer, you never slouch, you never slump, you never use a notebook computer.

> it's just that none of your arguments support it.

Or your imagination cannot allow it.

My left hand is not always on my keyboard. I'm not always typing. I'm not modelling 100% of my computer usage after "how to get RSI the fastest"; sometimes, I allow myself to lean back in my chair and just scroll the web, documents, photos etc. from time to time.

My favourite solution on macOS is an app called Swish which lets you do trackpad/Magic Mouse gestures to throw windows into corners, along edges, etc.

It'll be a skill they can use for any unsigned app and you can have cute screenshots. The Terminal command, on the other hand, is a huge barrier to entry.