Swift is a lovely language, but had to go with C#+Avalonia, which can give me truly multi-platform app. If only SwiftUI was properly supported on Windows, that would be great.

For now, .NET/C# + Avalonia seems the most convenient way to write Desktop apps, well, if you don't want to pay for Delphi ;)

I have decided to get back to FreeBSD, I used it as desktop 2002-2009 or so.

Downloaded 15.0, start install, wifi driver works perfectly, out of the box. Promising start, never seen before with FreeBSD.

Installed. Next, lets go to setup, graphics and Wayland. And here we started again, same story, hundred magic params to add, nvidia drivers doesn't work properly, install older version, is incompatible with Wayland etc. Need to go back to Xorg, another set of problems.

Ok, if I spent another 8 hours and asked for help in forums as it was 20+ years ago, I could have probably made it work. Until the next issue showed up.

So I decide to drop it, download CachyOS. Start installer. It detects K1000M, installs old version of Nvidia drivers, KDE, sorts out all compatibility issues, everything just flies, flawlessly. As never before, not even Ubuntu or Fedora.

CachyOS guys, thank you, you made an incredible work on getting it all to this state. Absolutely great.

Now don't get me wrong, I love FreeBSD, used it as my main driver for years in early 2000s, started my career with it and it has sweet spot in my heart, forever. It's just that laptop support is not there, still terrible, as it was 20 years ago. PS last laptop I used it successfully on, was Sony Vaio VGN-FS550 from 2005!

This language by Andrew is natural, real and should be valued more than anything else. Thank you, it's a refresher and it reminds me an old internet, where everyone been really free to write what and how they wanted it to be.

Who are you after all to judge how he writes his opinions?

Happy hacking, Andrew!

* Kotlin with compose multi platform started catching up and winning the market.

* Apple got worried and started supporting Swift on android, not fully yet, UI only available with external tools.

* Qt with C++ still winning it all.

* People realizing that they don't need this Kotlin / Swift play started writing mobile apps in game engines: Unreal, Godot, Unity.

Come on, look at all the businesses and what's really happening in the space you're commenting on. That laptop literally means nothing.